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I'm sure everyone could agree, most of the things at sunrise would take very little work to get them dialed.
This place has the ability to stay forever, as long as we get things built legit. Just riding up on the lifts you can see so many fun lines that you can take, or maybe new features that can be built.
But it seems the workmanship sucks. I don't mean to be putting down whoever is doing it, because some of the stuff is really good. But the amount of people and the time spent on the stuff is so low.... WHY???!!? especially when everyone wants to help an do it right.

I talked with Mara (event coordinator) and she told me to talk to Roger (cornchip on here)... But when I talked with Roger it felt like I had to really do him a favor to let us go up there and go some trail work.

Roger, since it seems you stepped up to the plate with building at Sunrise... why don't you coordinate a build day so we can help you.
 
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LoL. Welcome to the world of Sunrise.

As for that POS booter in that pict, those are referred to as "cheese wedges" and would be promptly knocked down if that crap was built anywhere else. Some people need to learn how to build a jump before the try to tackle a mountain...
 

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LoL. Welcome to the world of Sunrise.

As for that POS booter in that pict, those are referred to as "cheese wedges" and would be promptly knocked down if that crap was built anywhere else. Some people need to learn how to build a jump before the try to tackle a mountain...
I knocked it down right after I took this
 

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I knocked it down right after I took this
I dont mean to hijack this thread but Im curious what is wrong with that jump. Im being serious as I have never done any downhill or freeride type riding. Ive never really thought of what goes into making a good jump and am interested in learning something new.
 

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It looks like that will launch you pretty high up in the air, not exactly what you need there. You will be traveling down hill at a pretty good speed with the land dropping lower the longer you are in the air. I would think that you just need a smaller feature to get some nice enjoyable air off of.
 

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I dont mean to hijack this thread but Im curious what is wrong with that jump. Im being serious as I have never done any downhill or freeride type riding. Ive never really thought of what goes into making a good jump and am interested in learning something new.
With downhill bikes, the forks are designed to take hits while the back the is used to soften the landings and to stop the pedal chatter (among other things). With a cheese wedge jump like this, your front end will hardly notice as it thinks its a hit while your backend will want to ramp up. Cause you to go face first into the ground.

It needs to be a gradual incline, if you want the jump to be bigger... the jump will need to be longer. Or else it will be BMX style jumps
 
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The jump in that pict needs to be about 5x longer than it is for the speed you would be hitting it at and the slope that it is on.

If you were to hit that at any kind of speed it would be like hitting a wall and all it would do is compress your suspension and probably toss you a$$ over elbows which can result in breaking a collar bone or worse.

The construction of it is crap too. With that big a$$ pile of wood sitting in the background, the entire foundation for a jump like that should be logs running both side to side and front to back and then capped with dirt. Doing so means less digging holes to get dirt from (less erosion) and a more secure, longer lasting jump.
 

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kubo said:
Roger, since it seems you stepped up to the plate with building at Sunrise... why don't you coordinate a build day so we can help you. Instead watching us hurt ourselves on half built features like this...

Speed bump at the lip of a sender?? No wonder everyone was going OTB on it
Have they cleared out that fallen tree in the woods, after you cross the slope, right after the cheese wedge in question? Just piling logs over that killed the flow in that section.
 

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...the wonders that could be had at sunrise with just a handful of [capable] builders....also, joe and i are down for another trip this weekend
 

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Have they cleared out that fallen tree in the woods, after you cross the slope, right after the cheese wedge in question? Just piling logs over that killed the flow in that section.
Yeah that part has been cut out
 

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"But it seems the workmanship sucks. I don't mean to be putting down whoever is doing it, because some of the stuff is really good. But the amount of people and the time spent on the stuff is so low.... WHY???!!? especially when everyone wants to help an do it right."

Everyone says they want to help build, but when it comes down to it very few people show up.
 

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"But it seems the workmanship sucks. I don't mean to be putting down whoever is doing it, because some of the stuff is really good. But the amount of people and the time spent on the stuff is so low.... WHY???!!? especially when everyone wants to help an do it right."

Everyone says they want to help build, but when it comes down to it very few people show up.
There needs to be a build day.
Our group has tried to help build but we need to pay for an all day pass, and it cuts into our riding.

Besides its really hard to work on stuff when people are bombing through
 

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kubo...that looks like some of those jumps up on mingus. did cornchip go up there and build too? :) I'm all for pitching in with the building if the whole building operation was led by someone who wasn't a complete tool. Plus I'll only be able to make one trip up there this summer so I guess my vote doesn't count. Or if there were potential for building and sunrise being really cool then I would probably try a little harder to get up there.
 

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There's something about some of the sketchy, not built so well features, I do like though... But yah, I don't think there is many if any jumps built right in the entire place, and I did nearly go OTB on that one but it was all in good fun.
 

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after spending a weekend at Pajarito, I came to a very distince realization... Sunrise is a joke. Don't think I will be spending too much more time or $$$ there.
 

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After a few briefs run In's with Beef Chips this weekend, I get the impression he will be very hard to work with. I'm assuming thats why Sunrise felt he was a perfect fit? These are the few things I concluded about the 2010 sunrise trail bully. He definitely does not know weather, very little about properly marking trails closed, and him building anything is a scary thought. I suggest Sunrise uses the next winters proceeds to go hire a real trail building team if they want to draw crowds not scare them away.
 

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sinatorj said:
after spending a weekend at Pajarito, I came to a very distince realization... Sunrise is a joke. Don't think I will be spending too much more time or $$$ there.
Here comes the Sunrise hate...

I don't think Sunrise sucks. I think its a blast and worth $20. But it could be sooo much better and safer if done the right way.
 

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You guys are hilarious. Roger is the only person willing to get up early every Saturday and Sunday to do trail work. If you're going to complain about the trail work, just get up and do it. If it isn't what management wants, they'll take it down. What is important at Sunrise is rebuilding turns, maintaining water bars and clearing trails of major debris, ie Arrowhead. Put to rest any ambitions of new trails or "A-Line sweet ass jumps" nonsense cause it won't happen. Get over it, get used to it, grab a shovel, and enjoy what you have.

If not, drive to Pajarito, its only a couple more hours is great or you have Telluride, free gondola.
 

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You guys are hilarious. Roger is the only person willing to get up early every Saturday and Sunday to do trail work. If you're going to complain about the trail work, just get up and do it. If it isn't what management wants, they'll take it down. What is important at Sunrise is rebuilding turns, maintaining water bars and clearing trails of major debris, ie Arrowhead. Put to rest any ambitions of new trails or "A-Line sweet ass jumps" nonsense cause it won't happen. Get over it, get used to it, grab a shovel, and enjoy what you have.

If not, drive to Pajarito, its only a couple more hours is great or you have Telluride, free gondola.
Did you read the first post?
I don't think you understand how we have tried to get the there early and help only to be turned away.
Apparently (according to Sunrise management) you will need to have Rogers approval. Yet he wont let anyone else up besides him and his friend... ? This thread was made to get Rogers a$$ into gear since he stepped up to the plate but wont try to do anything.

What I complained about was poorly built, and danger features... resulting in people getting hurt. If you want stuff done right spend time on it.

And take your "Sunrise sucks, go to colorado" crap out of this thread. Yeah we get it, Colorado is better... so is nortstar, whistler, angelfire... etc etc etc. But you can't make that trip every weekend. So please compare Sunrise to another lift access in Arizona. :eek:ut:
 
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