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well, I've got my new and improved kingpin on my ibex...went to put the wheel on and realized this is all I have. its a ditchwich on a Specialized/tank hub ? would have to be re trued. but how strong is this thing ? strong enough for whistler ? my old wheel is a singletrack on a ritchey pro 20mm hub. I have put major abuse onto the front and back wheel of the P.2's wheelset, but nothing like whistler. would this thing hold up or should I look for something different ? try to build up something ? if so, what should I build up ? would perfer bolt on like this wheel though. this wheel really wasnt ridden hard or anything, i've checked really close, theres no damage or anything
 

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They aren't that strong.

Any loose ball bearing hub can be converted to bolt-on. Sealed cartridge bearing hubs can be converted to bolt-on with the appropriate axle with unthreaded areas for the cartridges to roll on.
 

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from what i've heard, the ditch wich is like a mix of a regualr rhynolite and a rhyno lite XL. I mean, they are a pretty strong rim, get nocked out of true a lot wich is annoying and they're also flexy, but its all I got
 

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Replace them. I find it surprising that you haven't cracked them or torn any of the eyelets out yet.
well I did toast one of them, a rear one on my old P.1, I destroyed the hub, but the rim is still around to this day.
 

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I was almost giddy getting to talk about trenches and then I see this. :(

It's funny that there are two threads with the word witch in the title today. It's like it's June 6 all over.

I've never ridden Whistler, nor do I go huge, but those are inferior to Rhyno Lites I believe, and Rhyno Lites were impossible for me to not flat spot.

I would look elsewhere if you can. If you cannot - I would ride those at Whistler until they tanked.
 

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i rode a set of ditch wichs when i started riding....they held up for a short while but then needed to be trued. i would built something else....
 

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ditch witch = OEM Rhyno Lite XL. Same rim, different graphics, according to a few local bike shop dudes, plus comparing to a set of genuine XLs. Came stock on my 2004 P1, still true and round. Seem really strong, axles are super stiff, but I think it has a lot to do with me weighing only 140lbs. Plus 50psi per tire :D I wouldn't bother with em if you are over 150 and/or ride hard.
 

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XSL_WiLL said:
Replace them. I find it surprising that you haven't cracked them or torn any of the eyelets out yet.
Do you find it surprising that my boy T-roy has been riding the same set of ditch witches for over three years? We ride all year round, with no off season. He has broken 3 marzocchi forks in half and 2 frames, but his ditch witches are still unphased. Homeboy is a hardcore ripper, but not the smoothest rider, and he pushes his limits every time that he rides, so he is constantly crashing, and casing huge doubles. I have personaly seen him case those same wheels at least a couple hundred times, and hard. He weighs a solid 175 pounds.
Can you please tell me why his ditch witches are so indestructable?:shocked:
 

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I weight 200lbs, ride hard, and run 60psi in each tire.

I have cased square edged concrete on gaps and they are still pretty much in perfect true.
 

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they are stronger then most give them credit for. i've been riding really really hard on mine and haven't had any problems. i've done everything from hitting the rear wheel hard on a concrete corner doing a gap to doing 8foot drop to flat on concrete on them and have had no problems. they may need to be trued, but they don't flat spot and aren't really crappy like everyone says.

tell me... if they are SOOO BAD... why the hell did they come on the 2005 KONA COWAN? they aren't bad. they came on kona's top DJ bike... that should say enough
 

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todd_freeride said:
well, I've got my new and improved kingpin on my ibex...went to put the wheel on and realized this is all I have. its a ditchwich on a Specialized/tank hub ? would have to be re trued. but how strong is this thing ? strong enough for whistler ? my old wheel is a singletrack on a ritchey pro 20mm hub. I have put major abuse onto the front and back wheel of the P.2's wheelset, but nothing like whistler. would this thing hold up or should I look for something different ? try to build up something ? if so, what should I build up ? would perfer bolt on like this wheel though. this wheel really wasnt ridden hard or anything, i've checked really close, theres no damage or anything
They cheap and pretty strong.
 

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That's called cost cutting. Most wheels will get trashed anyways, why bother with a super high-end wheelset that drives up costs when it may get folded in half anyways? Why doesn't the Kona Coil-Air have an XTR rear derailleur on it? Why do they settle for second best?

A proper build with even spoke tension is key. They are not the strongest rims, but they certainly are not the weakest either.
 

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If you can find a pair of Azonic Butchers hiding out somewhere, build those. I have seen them case curbs and tear through tires on urban missions with minimal damage. I have a pair that have been rolling for three years of DH and urban on a hardtail, and they are just now starting to get a bit out of true. No flat spots yet.

If you want to beef up the wheels, have them laced up with a four-cross. It will punish the crap out of your legs and back, but who gives a rats ass.
 

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Strange how they work for some people and not others. My friends kona stuff came with ditch witch rims and after a couple months the rear rim separated at where it joins then a couple weeks later the same thing happened to the front. He only did 5ft drops maximum I wouldn't trust them at whistler.
 

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I don't know what these guys are talking about the ditch witch being a weak rim....I've been running a rhynolite/ditchwitch front/rear combo for a year under my 210lb butt and have only had to true them once or twice....if your not a complete hack they will stand up fine to pretty much any thing you can throw at it (with the exception of huge drops and the like) IHMO

the strength of a rim is more based on the build of the wheel than the strength of the rim IMO...I've of strong rims and a crappy build making for a crappy wheelset

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