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These seem to be gaining popularity in the small brand/hand made bike market. I love the short travel 29er segment with progressive geometry and the lure of steel makes me want one!

Cotic FlareMAX, Swarf Contour, Starling Murmur (or SS Beady Little Eye!!!), who else? Seems to be gaining momentum, especially in the UK.

There's also custom frame builder options like Waltworks, and I've seen a few at NAHBA the last few years, but I'm wondering how long it will be until a semi major manufacturer starts offering production steel full suspension bikes/frames?

What other full suspension steel bikes are available?

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Cotic- https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/
Myth Cycles Zodiac- https://mythcycles.com/bikes/zodiac/
Ferrum- https://ferrumbikes.com
Swarf- https://www.swarfcycles.co.uk/frames.html
Starling Murmer- https://www.starlingcycles.com/bikes/murmur-enduro/
Production Privee Shan No.5- https://production-privee.com/collections/frames/products/shan-nº5-classic-frame
Stanton Switch 9er FS- Switch9er FS - Stanton Bikes
Project 12 Cycleworks- http://projectxii.nl/en/vertigo-2/
BTR Fabrications Pinner (27.5)- The Pinner - BTR Fabrications
Curtis- https://www.curtisbikes.co.uk/frames/am-enduro/
Portus- https://portus-cycles.de/der-flotte-karl-unsere-maschine-fuers-grobe/
Caminade- https://caminade.eu/en/chilleasy-572000-20.php
Waltworks- https://waltworks.com
Castellano Zorro- http://www.castellanodesigns.com/Zorro.html
Morph- https://www.morphcycles.co.uk/first-edition-frames
Pipedream Cycles The Full Moxie- https://www.pipedreamcycles.com/shop/the-full-moxie/?v=7516fd43adaa
Ra Bikes- https://www.ra-bikes.com
 
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There are a few others, seems most are based in the UK or EU.
Other one you didn't list was Production Privee, french company and Stanton Bikes, another UK company. One of the smaller mtb rags online did a review about a year or so ago of some of the top steel bike builders, I was dead set on getting myself a Cotic RocketMAX (wanted more travel) as I love my old On-One Inbred 29er steel hardtail, but the logistical cost of getting it to the US added a bit.
 

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Stanton are another brand making them.

Personally, I don't see any advantage for a FS bike being made out of steel vs alloy or carbon (obviously different story with a hardtail) but I've never ridden one so that's not based on much.
 

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They are cool, no doubt. But steel has 3 things going against it

Heavy
Flex
Rust

Of course benefits are

Strong
Easy to repair

Cant remember the brand, but the raw steel bike with brass brazing... straight up eye candy.
 

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They are cool, no doubt. But steel has 3 things going against it

Heavy
Flex
Rust

Of course benefits are

Strong
Easy to repair

Cant remember the brand, but the raw steel bike with brass brazing... straight up eye candy.
I thought Stanton bikes are treated internally to prevent rust but I guess in the event of a crash and subsequent paint removal that would rust and leave a good looking scar. By the time a steel frame ever rusted through it would be beyond the normal life of any bike though.

I've been considering the Stanton FS for some time now as a race bike, just something about them that appeals to me and that little bit of extra weight just adds to the stability. The rear leverage rate is solidly progressive and looks almost perfect to me.
 

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I'd say go for it, historically speaking I'm reluctant to try anything new... it may also be because I'm incredibly cheap.

I agree with you from the rust standpoint, sure you may get some surface rust, but certainly not destructive in terms of weakness.
 

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They are cool, no doubt. But steel has 3 things going against it

Heavy
Flex
Rust

Of course benefits are

Strong
Easy to repair

Cant remember the brand, but the raw steel bike with brass brazing... straight up eye candy.
Add: Poor suspension designs. Seriously, if there was a steel frame that was engineered with a DW suspension, that would be a cool bike.

That Swarf Contour looks great until you read single pivot and 445mm chainstays.

I get that complicated suspensions are challenging to design and build, but if I'm springing for a high end frame, it needs a high end suspension, otherwise I'd be riding rigid.
 

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Stanton are another brand making them.

Personally, I don't see any advantage for a FS bike being made out of steel vs alloy or carbon (obviously different story with a hardtail) but I've never ridden one so that's not based on much.
If you want a flexy frame, in theory the flex can be designed in to be a positive attribute, though in my experience a flexy frame means tire and chain rub.

So heavier, flexier, yeah, no real advantages, just different to be different kinda like Ti.
 

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Yup, should have had Stanton and Production Privee on the list, good call.

Add: Poor suspension designs. Seriously, if there was a steel frame that was engineered with a DW suspension, that would be a cool bike.

That Swarf Contour looks great until you read single pivot and 445mm chainstays.

I get that complicated suspensions are challenging to design and build, but if I'm springing for a high end frame, it needs a high end suspension, otherwise I'd be riding rigid.
If you want a flexy frame, in theory the flex can be designed in to be a positive attribute, though in my experience a flexy frame means tire and chain rub.

So heavier, flexier, yeah, no real advantages, just different to be different kinda like Ti.
Yes, clearly these bikes are not for you. You've made your opinion clear.
 

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Like many long time bikers, the mantra steel is real reasonates, but to bring steel into the modern age, the designs must reflect modern geometry. A short travel single pivot FS bike with a 445mm chainstay is crap.

Who's gonna buy a bike just cuz it's "pretty", esp when it's priced the same as a quality carbon frame?

Face it, to compete with other frame materials, steel had to be as good or better than aluminum or carbon: better geo, better suspension, better design.

Personally I'd buy an FS steel frame for a one pound penalty, if it was any good, otherwise I'd buy a steel hardtail and leave the full suspension duties to my other bikes.

Reality check, 3k gets you into Ti territory.

Yup, should have had Stanton and Production Privee on the list, good call.

Yes, clearly these bikes are not for you. You've made your opinion clear. Please find your way to another thread that suites your taste better.
 

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Add: Poor suspension designs. Seriously, if there was a steel frame that was engineered with a DW suspension, that would be a cool bike.

That Swarf Contour looks great until you read single pivot and 445mm chainstays.

I get that complicated suspensions are challenging to design and build, but if I'm springing for a high end frame, it needs a high end suspension, otherwise I'd be riding rigid.
Nice sweeping generalization mate. Check out the rear suspension on the Stanton FS.
 

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This thread is intended to discuss what steel full suspension bikes are available. Not argue their validity.

I don't think what I said was taunting, just asking a persistently negative and strongly opinionated person to move on to another thread instead of derailing and plugging up this conversation with a bunch of argumentative BS.
 

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Mone Cycles has been showing off a brazed steel FS. You can order a custom steel full sus from Marino Cycles. BTR Pinner as well. The DMR Bolt Long is a steel full sus (and 26") but kind of in between a slopestyle bike and a regular full sus.
 

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Stanton are another brand making them.

Personally, I don't see any advantage for a FS bike being made out of steel vs alloy or carbon (obviously different story with a hardtail) but I've never ridden one so that's not based on much.
Steel is an alloy.

Steel is stronger than aluminum and lasts forever, and if it's heavier, the difference is marginal.

I hope we see a steel FS bike for sale somewhere in the US soon outside of the unreachable custom market for me. I may have to bite the bullet and buy an aluminum bike someday, but I don't really want to.
 

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There was an article (will have to do some searching to see if I can find it) that much of what is needed out of steel to attain the same rigidity and strength of current "burly" aluminum bikes is quite a bit less thick tubes and large tubes. Much can be attained from the new 4130 Chromoly, Reynolds, or other alloys out there to attain similar results, still have that "warm" feeling that steel has but be close to the same weight (if not the same weight) as many of the aluminum bikes.

I think the generalization of heavy, flexy, rusty, etc. was all true 10yrs ago but today the processes to be able to "mold" steel tubes and the advances in geometric understanding, kinesthetics, leverage ratios and all the stuff to be able to "build" those awesome bikes we have now transfers over to steel. This is why we are starting to see a resurgence of steel bikes popping up. If this weren't the case we would not see as many people starting companies with steel bikes. They are no longer just the ss or city commuter type bikes they used to be.
 

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This thread is intended to discuss what steel full suspension bikes are available. Not argue their validity.

I don't think what I said was taunting, just asking a persistently negative and strongly opinionated person to move on to another thread instead of derailing and plugging up this conversation with a bunch of argumentative BS.
Then let people express their opinions without feedback. My comments are no less or more important that yours. And I really don't appreciate negative reps for BS.

Edit: I'm gonna add you to my ignore list, you might want to do the same to me, then we won't trigger each other.
 
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