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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/08/MNG21HIKPI.DTL

Quote Re. China Camp
Ruth Coleman, the state parks director, said a list of the park closures will not be released for a couple of weeks.

"We've been working now for the past month on which of the state parks we can no longer afford to run," she said.

The irony of the Back Ranch campground closure, according to several visitors, is that the $35 camping and the $5 day-use fees are not collected even though dozens of hikers and bikers use the area every day.

"What happens is, people just walk in and bike in, but they don't collect any money," said Ann Osgood, 78, a longtime local resident who recently hiked past the locked gate at Back Ranch Meadows.

Joanne Danielson, the sector superintendent in Marin County, said only a fraction of the 30 camping spots were used on winter weekdays at the Back Ranch campground before the first closure in 2009 - and that's not enough revenue to pay for the cost of keeping the bathrooms open and having custodians and rangers available.

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fgiraffe said:
I think this lady is confused, as I was. If you walk or bike in, you are not legally required to pay. And (IMHO) that's part of the problem.
Somebody else just made the same point in the thread about the guardrail over in Folsom:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?p=7752235#post7752235

My understanding is that generally speaking, State Parks has not felt is was cost effective to spend staff dollars collecting fees from walk-in visitors. There are exceptions, such as historic buildings where you pay an entrance fee.

It seems apparent their budget isn't going to get better anytime soon, and their funding and service models are broken and not effective.
 

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It seems apparent their budget isn't going to get better anytime soon, and their funding and service models are broken and not effective.
Sounds like an accurate description of our state in general.
 

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cohenfive said:
j-c, what do you mean....if we are really lucky we are going to get to vote on a $12 billion tax increase which will solve all of our problems....permanently.
for 5 years... Well, if it was couple with pension reforms, I'd probably vote for it, not that anybody cares.
 

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i care deeply...and i happen to agree with you which is scary. but it doesn't look like we are going to get that...all we are getting is the normal scare tactics of cutting off services rather than fixing the underlying cause of the fiscal problems. did you ever see the old national lampoon magazine cover that had a picture of a cute puppy with a gun to its head and the caption...'buy this magazine or we'll shoot this dog'...seems like the same tactics.
 

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I'm happy to pay more in taxes for what is a valuable state resource. Nobody wants to pay more in taxes, but many people want to keep what services we have. Keeping these parks open would have been simple if voters would have passed Prop 21 and hiked the VLF by just $18. In exchange for that increased fee, we would have received FREE park entry into State Parks. This measure was defeated 58.1% to 41.9%.

If you visited a state park 2-3 times, it would have paid for itself. WTF fellow Californians? Go 10 times and make money on the deal. Or just sit at home and watch Jersey Shore and eat Doritos...nature sucks.
 

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If you use the parks, buy a park pass. Here in Santa Cruz, the park measure passed by like 70%. Now go to Wilder and you see 15 cars out on the highway, and 4 in the lot. See the hipocracy? Guess nobody wants to pay for their own pleasure, but rather expect everybody else to pay for it.

My view is taxes should pay for the existence of the parks, use fees should pay for the upkeep.
 

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cohenfive said:
all we are getting is the normal scare tactics of cutting off services rather than fixing the underlying cause of the fiscal problems.
Very well put, sire. I hate to say it, but one of the main reasons I'm leaving the state for college is money. Nevada has money, and California doesn't. In times like this, I could honestly care less that all their money is from the casinos. At least states like Nevada get to have a moral dilemma over the source of public funding.

Currently, California is just chopping off the limb that's infected. What we need to do is spend some time figuring out what's going on, and get a proper dressing and some Neosporin on that infection. :thumbsup:
 

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Annadel72 said:
Just like everyone who parks in the free parking area at Annadel near the base of Cobblestone and then complains the park might get shut down. YOU are the problem.
The base of Cobblestone AND the 5-7 other free parking areas near various parts of the park. People will never pay to visit Annadel, it is too easily accessible from the surrounding areas.

Does CA not tax its residents enough? I'm not sure I completely agree with you. I'd have a hard time blaming the residents if Annadel gets "shut down".
 

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I disagree with the notion that not everyone should have to pay for state parks. Even if they aren't used by everyone, they benefit everyone in many ways. Parks bring in tourism to areas that normally would never see so much economic activity during the summer months. This is especially true with the north coast and many of the state parks and beaches. And state parks are not just there for current taxpayers, but for generations of people to come. So while some people may not use the parks, their children and grandchildren will.

I don't believe the VLF hike was a perfect solution, but it would have fixed the problem in the short term while a more permanent solution could be devised for the long term. If state employees are getting laid off and their wages cut, the parks are not going to be getting any love from raising income taxes.

I also disagree with the people who would rather do nothing because they disagree with other expenditures within the government. I hate to say it folks, but if we wait until the entire budget is perfect before we try to fix one problem nothing will ever get done. Next time you get a chance to solve a problem, take the initiative instead of placing blame on the other party or complaining about some other area of the government.

And while I'm ranting...California gets 78 cents on the dollar of federal resources we pay for in taxes. So while our state suffers, other states like Alabama and Arkansas get $1.50 in federal services for every dollar they pay in taxes. WTF?
 

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I see your point and maybe mine was not delivered very clearly, my mistake. My point is the only people who complain about a possible closure of Annadel are the people who use it. Most of the people who use it do not support it. Yes, there is free parking all over the place, but it does not prohibit anyone from paying to park. Its a choice that each person will make. I am not trying to crap on people who park there, my first post came off like that and that's lame.
 

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I think what few are missing here is that We are ALREADY paying taxes to support parks.
The fact that those money got mismanaged is not an excuse to get new taxes in. They will be mismanaged as well.
Any commercial operation have strict rules of responsibilities. With large bureaucracy responsibilities are diluted and even hidden most of the time.
 

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Chasintrane said:
just like everyone who parks in the free parking area at Annadel near the base of Cobblestone and then complains the park might get shut down. YOU are the problem..
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The base of Cobblestone AND the 5-7 other free parking areas near various parts of the park. People will never pay to visit Annadel, it is too easily accessible from the surrounding areas.

Does CA not tax its residents enough? I'm not sure I completely agree with you. I'd have a hard time blaming the residents if Annadel gets "shut down".
If everyone who used Annadel donated a dollar every time they went for a walk or ride up there that park would be rolling in the bucks, so I wouldn't blame the residents, I would blame the park rules for not collecting use fees.
 

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Is the solution to privatize public parks? Non-Profit or for Profit? is there such a thing as a non-profit anymore?
 

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Bring it on

cohenfive said:
j-c, what do you mean....if we are really lucky we are going to get to vote on a $12 billion tax increase which will solve all of our problems....permanently.
Go ahead, increase my state income tax. Seriously. If it gives them budget to fix some of the issues, I'm all for it. Of course, it would also be nice to cut some of the waste, but from what I understand, the state runs pretty lean as it is.

From what I can see by my paycheck, they don't take much of anything as it is. It would be nice if they would stop giving away all the tax breaks to large corporations, tho.
 
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