Stan's Alpine (with what hubs?)

American Classic front hub. Or an extralite. Then a black Chris King rear.

I would build with a set of AC's. I have not seen many reliability issues for a while. Lace them up with some light spokes like the DT Revolution or the Sapim CX-Ray's.

the ZTR hubs have a decent weight and are very cheap.

I am getting a set of Alpines with AM Classic front HUB and ZTR rear, should be in soon. Went with the AM Classic for the front as it is very light and was a slight price increase in $ over the ZTR. Stuck with the ZTR for the rear as the weight penalty over ztr was very minor and not worth the $ imo. DT Rev spokes btw. I am told this build weighs 1325 w/o yellow tape/valve.

What are the changes for the 010 AM hubs? Anyone know?

Like your asthetic sense

Pity the red freehub will be covered once you get a cassette on there

Thank you, I'm surprised you noticed especially only viewing a pic of them.

What route did you decide to go?

One red rotor bolt????? aluminum

They're probably all alloy, but that's his homage to SLR's

Still in the process of getting stuff together, and more importantly choosing spokes. I am torn between something simple like revolutions, slightly more exotic with CX-rays, or we have a local builder in Melbourne who specialises in Marwi plain guage Ti spoke builds. The WW in me says the Ti (and I do have the opportunity to test a friend's set) - and I am hoping the large flanges on the AM classic hubs leads to a shorter spoke and less flex.

Those rotor bolts have a really large profile...

Alex: I don't think the Marwi plain gauge spokes will be lighter than Sapim CX-rays. Sapim CXrays are very light. The only ti spokes that are lighter and commonly available is the Pillar PST1422. I have a set built with those. The stiffness is still good. Not as good as say CX-rays, but on par with the thinner gauge DT swiss revolutions that Stans notubes build his ZTR Race wheels with.

I've got 3 2009 AmClassic rear hubs and haven't had a problem.
As for Chris King in the rear, eww, mad heavy and pricey.

amillmtb said:

Those rotor bolts have a really large profile...

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I've been using the same aluminum bolts with loctite on my hardtail 29er for a few years and have never had a problem. I did have to shave a little material off of each front rotor bolt as they were rubbing slightly.

I am also planning of ordering a set of wheels with Alpine rims and AC hubs.

I don't know which spokes to choose, Revos or Cx-Rays. What is the difference between them?

I ride xc and marathon races on a Ti Mojo LTD hardtail and I weight 166 lbs.

mtok77 said:

I am also planning of ordering a set of wheels with Alpine rims and AC hubs.

I don't know which spokes to choose, Revos or Cx-Rays. What is the difference between them?

I ride xc and marathon races on a Ti Mojo LTD hardtail and I weight 166 lbs.

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OK, the main difference to look at is that the CX-ray is bladed (more like ovalised though) and the revolution is round.
They are about the same weight for equal length spokes, with CX-ray about 10g lighter for 64.
Where they differ is stiffness and fatigue life. Revo's are usually used only for race MTB and road wheels, wheras the CX-ray have been used in DH wheels by the likes of 5 or 6 time world champ Nico Vouilloz.

Most people's choice would be the CX-ray

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Alex: I don't think the Marwi plain gauge spokes will be lighter than Sapim CX-rays. Sapim CXrays are very light. The only ti spokes that are lighter and commonly available is the Pillar PST1422. I have a set built with those. The stiffness is still good. Not as good as say CX-rays, but on par with the thinner gauge DT swiss revolutions that Stans notubes build his ZTR Race wheels with.

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the Marwi Ti spokes are lighter than the Sapim's.

aside from my first hand experience try the speedgoat.com website and look at their wheel builder section. Build a wheel with both spokes, you will see the difference. They list real time weights as you build.

Anyone have Marwis on a scale.... I saw Limon had some b4. Maybe he has 32 to weigh.

nikoli8 said:

Anyone have Marwis on a scale.... I saw Limon had some b4. Maybe he has 32 to weigh.

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marwi ti spokes for american classic hubs and olimpic rims 3 cross weigh 116g for 32 spokes. if I was going to build them again I would go 3 cross disk side, 2 cross rear drive side and 1 cross left front side for more savings.

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marwi ti spokes for american classic hubs and olimpic rims 3 cross weigh 116g for 32 spokes. if I was going to build them again I would go 3 cross disk side, 2 cross rear drive side and 1 cross left front side for more savings.

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The bladed or the round ones?