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Sram x.0? and other questions
Well i own a 06 hardrock sport and am wondering about some upgrades. Iam looking into upgrading my rear der. and front der. I want to get the sram x.0 rear and the x-generation front. My few questions are:
On the x.0 what cage size should i get. I figured long because of my biggest 32g rear sprocket (FYI i have a triple sprocket set in front)? What is the med. sizew cage?
On the x.0 rear der. i noticed that the med. cage come with the carbon fiber cage and the long doesnt. Why is that? Is the long cage not as durable? Is it just as easy to replace if broken?
Your opinion on the x-genertaion....?
Is it bad to you lets say a 11cog with a 22t? It say its a no no in the manual....why is this?
Also i am going to run everything else stock except maybe a sram chain (keeping same cogs, etc) Future plans are possibe avid brakes, monkey lite bar and a few other things. I dont abuse my bike, once or twice when i really ride, otherwise im in the nebiorhood crusing and hitting up some local trails, nothing big. I like to urban ride to i use kenda kwest when i want some fat pavement mikes and use enduro tires in mountain and urban (plan on using some hookworms). Just tell me what ya think, im kinda a newbie in modifying this is my second bike. I previousley owned a gary fisher tass.
On the x.0 what cage size should i get. I figured long because of my biggest 32g rear sprocket (FYI i have a triple sprocket set in front)? What is the med. sizew cage?
On the x.0 rear der. i noticed that the med. cage come with the carbon fiber cage and the long doesnt. Why is that? Is the long cage not as durable? Is it just as easy to replace if broken?
Your opinion on the x-genertaion....?
Is it bad to you lets say a 11cog with a 22t? It say its a no no in the manual....why is this?
Also i am going to run everything else stock except maybe a sram chain (keeping same cogs, etc) Future plans are possibe avid brakes, monkey lite bar and a few other things. I dont abuse my bike, once or twice when i really ride, otherwise im in the nebiorhood crusing and hitting up some local trails, nothing big. I like to urban ride to i use kenda kwest when i want some fat pavement mikes and use enduro tires in mountain and urban (plan on using some hookworms). Just tell me what ya think, im kinda a newbie in modifying this is my second bike. I previousley owned a gary fisher tass.
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Why would you upgrade anything on a new bike? Wait till it craps out on you. Waste of money otherwise.
Especially putting a $190 rear derailleur on a $350 bike...
The small/small and large/large gear combos (22 front and 12 rear is a small/small) aren't recommended as they put the chain at too extreme an angle, creating a poor chainline, causes excessive wear on the chain and rings/cogs and generally performs poorly.
The small/small and large/large gear combos (22 front and 12 rear is a small/small) aren't recommended as they put the chain at too extreme an angle, creating a poor chainline, causes excessive wear on the chain and rings/cogs and generally performs poorly.
well than $350 bike has a very good frame, etc. to build on. All of the hardrocks are built on the same exact frame, with diff compnents. I want to make some improvements on my bike. Anyone can answer my questions?Bikinfoolferlife said:Especially putting a $190 rear derailleur on a $350 bike...
The small/small and large/large gear combos (22 front and 12 rear is a small/small) aren't recommended as they put the chain at too extreme an angle, creating a poor chainline, causes excessive wear on the chain and rings/cogs and generally performs poorly.
Don't mind them.MTBchris said:well than $350 bike has a very good frame, etc. to build on. All of the hardrocks are built on the same exact frame, with diff compnents. I want to make some improvements on my bike. Anyone can answer my questions?
If you look around you can find sweet deals on the 05 X-9 components which would save you a bunch of money and still give you quality components. I have 06 XO RD and thumbies on my Hammerhead but my son's runs with the X-9 set-up and loves it. I ran the X-9 thumbies until they came out with the XO and I was very happy with them.
Bikenfool has a good point although he could've gone about it in a nicer way. The Hardrock is a tough frame but it's not something I would build up with XO components.
The meduim cage RD will go up to a 34t cog but you would be pushing it if your large chain ring is anything over a 44t. I run a medium on my hardtail and a long on my FS. You can pick up a 05 XO with the long cage way cheaper than either 06 RD. The long cage is just as durable as the medium, both will break if you abuse them, but show me a RD that won't.
If you go the XO way expect to drop 350-360 just for the RD/Shifters and thats at best. Pricepoint Jenson and Greenfish Sports are all good places to find the X-9 stuff at great prices.
Good Luck!
why wouldnt you run it on a hardrock frame? The way i ride is mostly street and small trails. I have steet tires and mountain tires on the occasions i go serious off-road mtb-ing. I figure that this would be a good option. I do not abuse anything i have, im very anal. Also what the diff with the 05 x.o RD w/long cage and the 06 w/long cage?
My biggest cog is 32 tooth and my bigest fron sprocket is 42 tooth....i dont understand what bikenfool is saying.
My plan is as of right now:
Purchase the long cage X.0 RD
Purchase the X-Generation FD
w/ x.7 triggers!
How do u think this will perform with eveything else left stock...for now?
Everything is going to be left stock drivetrain wise. The other idea i had is after the conversion i can use this stuff on other bikes. I plan on buying the hollowchain and the 9spd PG-990 cassette. That would finish my drivetrain to my likes. Possibly a cheap bash guard for the stock sprockets for protection.
My plan is as of right now:
Purchase the long cage X.0 RD
Purchase the X-Generation FD
w/ x.7 triggers!
How do u think this will perform with eveything else left stock...for now?
Everything is going to be left stock drivetrain wise. The other idea i had is after the conversion i can use this stuff on other bikes. I plan on buying the hollowchain and the 9spd PG-990 cassette. That would finish my drivetrain to my likes. Possibly a cheap bash guard for the stock sprockets for protection.
The Hardrock frame isn't worth buying highest end components for IMHO, but it's good to know that you might wish to make them keepers for the future but you didn't say that in your OP.
IMHO from the lengthy list of "upgrades" you'd like to make, you'd have been better off to have held off and buy a bike with that particular level of componentry in the first place; you get a better deal that way rather than buying stuff piece by piece.
I'd say your performance gain per $ is going to be pretty bad with your plan. Just what do you expect your bike to do better by changing each component you've proposed? Does your riding level require the changes?
For a bike as new as yours you may as well get all the life out of what you've got and save your money up for a better bike in the future. Ride stuff til it breaks or if you truly need a performance gain. Use the time you're doing that with this bike while you learn more about bikes and components and have some time to really shop for what you want the first time around...
If you can't understand my explanation of cross chaining I'm not sure how much more clearly I can put it. Try googling "cross chaining" and read up...
IMHO from the lengthy list of "upgrades" you'd like to make, you'd have been better off to have held off and buy a bike with that particular level of componentry in the first place; you get a better deal that way rather than buying stuff piece by piece.
I'd say your performance gain per $ is going to be pretty bad with your plan. Just what do you expect your bike to do better by changing each component you've proposed? Does your riding level require the changes?
For a bike as new as yours you may as well get all the life out of what you've got and save your money up for a better bike in the future. Ride stuff til it breaks or if you truly need a performance gain. Use the time you're doing that with this bike while you learn more about bikes and components and have some time to really shop for what you want the first time around...
If you can't understand my explanation of cross chaining I'm not sure how much more clearly I can put it. Try googling "cross chaining" and read up...
I used to own a Hardrock, and that frame was a tank. It really wouldnt be worth upgrading to x.o though. I use sram everything on all my mountain bikes, and damn, it's by far the best feeling shifting and the most durable. But you're going to throw out up to $400 on just 4 parts on a complete bike that cost you $350. come on, upgrade your complete bike before upgrading your acera or whatever parts are on you hardrock. or just save your dough, and buy a nicer bike with like sram x7 or x9 and keep you specialized as a beater bike for winter.
ya you do have a point...i just figured just to get it for christams....i aint paying for it 
Also it only cost about 189.00 with shipping for the x-gen FD and the x.0 RD from jensonusa.com I plan on putting a 9 speed sram 990 and hollow pin chain later in the winter. I figure when i upgrade to a better bike swap compnents then sell the ones that i came on the bike for a little cash....just ideas
Also it only cost about 189.00 with shipping for the x-gen FD and the x.0 RD from jensonusa.com I plan on putting a 9 speed sram 990 and hollow pin chain later in the winter. I figure when i upgrade to a better bike swap compnents then sell the ones that i came on the bike for a little cash....just ideasMTBchris said:My biggest cog is 32 tooth and my bigest fron sprocket is 42 tooth....i dont understand what bikenfool is saying.
My plan is as of right now:
Purchase the long cage X.0 RD
Purchase the X-Generation FD
w/ x.7 triggers!
How do u think this will perform with eveything else left stock...for now?
Everything is going to be left stock drivetrain wise. The other idea i had is after the conversion i can use this stuff on other bikes. I plan on buying the hollowchain and the 9spd PG-990 cassette. That would finish my drivetrain to my likes. Possibly a cheap bash guard for the stock sprockets for protection.[/QUOTE
You'll only get X-9 performance out of a XO derailleur if you use the X-7 triggers, am I making sense. I've used the X-Gen FD and I'm not a big fan. It's sturdy but kind of clunky when shifting and it only comes in Bottom Swing which would still work in your case(The damn finish will last about an hour and it starts peeling off). I'd suggest a XT FD and Cassette, they will both work with a SRAM set-up and are the best bang for the buck. The new 990 cassette is improved but will run you $75+ compared to the XT which you can get on sale for $40+.
I know you want the best performance but I strongly feel that components should match the frame and a Hardrock isn't an XO quality frame.
Like I said before, the X-9 would do you justice and still leave coin in your pocket for some winter gear.
Don't bother with the bash guard it's just added weight and cost.
Oh, it's not your money, that makes it better. Show your parents this thread along with your xmas list...
BTW, why would you put a 9 speed cassette and chain on a bike with an 8 speed setup? Or is there something I missed in the Specialized specs?
BTW, why would you put a 9 speed cassette and chain on a bike with an 8 speed setup? Or is there something I missed in the Specialized specs?
ERR, a 9 speed cassette, shifters, and derailleur make it a 9 speed, doesn't it?Bikinfoolferlife said:Oh, it's not your money, that makes it better. Show your parents this thread along with your xmas list...
BTW, why would you put a 9 speed cassette and chain on a bike with an 8 speed setup? Or is there something I missed in the Specialized specs?
You have a point, I just looked at his most recent post, which doesn't mention shifter along with the chain/cassette/front&rear derailleurs; the one before that does include the x7 shifters...
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