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Do you think the split DW link will have more flex than a solid DW as used with the Pivots or Ibis'? Increased wear and or maintenance? I am a bigger guy and chain stay flex has been an issue for me in the past.

Just getting some opinions here.
 

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i used to think it was important to have a 1 pc rocker but thats not so true today. its still about stiffness but if ya look at the rockers and mini links out there now, youll see some are much thicker or machined with internal support structures. it also is important to make sure these big ol links are well supported by their bushing/bearing systems. furthermore, all this can be done well then have a floppy rear tri negateing all that hard work.

my rides on the new spot, even in a rough proto form which by no means is gonna be as stiff and refined as the production frame, was leaps and bounds stiffer out back than anything ive ridden before it, including all my turners.

i believe turner riders will have less issues with flex, wear and maintenance with the '09's than in the past. keep in mind there havent been many complaints of these problems by turner owners to begin with and are known to be 1 of the very best on the planet in these reguards. comparison reviews of the pivot and ibis have not been all bad, but not as promising or positive as the dwl turners.
 

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Take a look at the linkage expanded diagram on the Turner site. While the links are separate, the way they are connected is better than a split linkage that's made using 2 separate plates and 4 separate bolts. When the Turner bolt passes through the link it is supported for it's entire length - that's alot of surface area to resist flex. Should be very solid.

http://www.turnerbikes.com/09tech.html click on the diagram to expand it

The Pivot link is built solid - but is it overbuilt? That's a huge linkage point for a 4" travel bike. There are full-on downhill rigs that will see much more abuse than an XC 29er that remain solid with simpler linkages. I have read some complaints about the weight of the bike not being lighter for a bike that leans towards XC racing/riding, and that is largely due to that linkage intersection.

I would be surprised if the next round of Pivots don't see a slimmed down linkage to help control the weight.
 

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split pivot not takers

forget about split pivot coz until now there are no takers. Dave Turner was interested in the split pivot but he ended up getting the DWLink instead because he said that DW himself explained to him that DWL is much better than the split pivot.
 

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Techz said:
Do you think the split DW link will have more flex than a solid DW as used with the Pivots or Ibis'? Increased wear and or maintenance? I am a bigger guy and chain stay flex has been an issue for me in the past.

Just getting some opinions here.
The lower link halves on the Turner frames keys into the pivot shaft, in essence making a 1-piece link.

Take a closer look at the diagram and you can see it show and explained.

Dave
 

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Damn this is confusing.
 

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Techz is asking about the multi piece dw-link. Turner is multi piece, the others use one piece. I am sure when a search is done on dw-link for 'stiffness' my design holds it's own compared to any other mini link on the market.

The 'Split Pivot' is DWs patented dropout that is uhhhh, Split and pivots right around the axle. I think that most would recognize that as used by Trek.

The Evil is a single pivot frame design so pedaling and braking is in that family, but the shock carrier is a patent pending design that allows changes to be made to the shock etc?

DT
 

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_dw said:
None that you know about.

Plus, that other company seems to be doing a pretty good job of selling Split Pivot bikes..
I hope they end up paying you a royalty - retroactive even.
 

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Is it a major cost difference between the link being machined from billet and simple high quality hardware?
 

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There's a lot more that goes into the design for stiffness in all the bikes you're considering. Best bet is to ride and compare. The differences in the lower link alone does not give the total picture.
 

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_dw said:
The lower link halves on the Turner frames keys into the pivot shaft, in essence making a 1-piece link.
Dave
Just looked at the diagram, and indeed it is a very clever design. I'm just one guy, but I think the loving craftsmanship that went into these frames is one step beyond that of most others.
 

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_dw said:
The lower link halves on the Turner frames keys into the pivot shaft, in essence making a 1-piece link.

Take a closer look at the diagram and you can see it show and explained.

Dave
HEY! to the d dub!!
 
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