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Not when you own the patent and ICT is based on an imaginary point which remains in front of the axle line whereas FSR dips behind.
 

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Man, I guess it requires a harder look at but certainly at first glance it looks dang close to an ICT linkage. Smaller rocker.. is that the difference?
 

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Rich9000 said:
Man, I guess it requires a harder look at but certainly at first glance it looks dang close to an ICT linkage. Smaller rocker.. is that the difference?
...from a glance, the rocker angle looks to eliminate ICT crossover :thumbsup:
 

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It's simple. A company the size of Ellsworth can not afford to take a company the size of Specialized to court to defend a patent that never should have made it past the USPTO examiners. Taking the Big S to court to defend the ICT patent is so stupid even TE himself knows better, he knows in court, sooner or later the Big S would call experts to the stand smart enough to prove the ICT patent is BS, so TE would lose his patent, lots of $$ to lawyers and probably have to pay the Big S's legal fees too. A sure fire way to bankrupt a small company like Ellsworth.

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Awesome...

Ellsworth and Specialized posts on the Turner forum.

I rode my Raleigh Technium singlespeed the other day and it was fun!
 

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I think at this point, all forums should be subforums of the Turner forum.
There is a lot of merit to that idea.

I laughed because the OP says it infringes on the Horst link which is owned by Specialized....oh well.. Specialized is infringing on their own patent! Oh my...mutiny!

 

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy!!!

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It's simple. A company the size of Ellsworth can not afford to take a company the size of Specialized to court to defend a patent that never should have made it past the USPTO examiners. Taking the Big S to court to defend the ICT patent is so stupid even TE himself knows better, he knows in court, sooner or later the Big S would call experts to the stand smart enough to prove the ICT patent is BS, so TE would lose his patent, lots of $$ to lawyers and probably have to pay the Big S's legal fees too. A sure fire way to bankrupt a small company like Ellsworth.

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My 5 spot came with an ICT sticker!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the cat ate it...;)
 

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I laughed because the OP says it infringes on the Horst link which is owned by Specialized....oh well.. Specialized is infringing on their own patent! Oh my...mutiny!
Sheesh next time I'll just state the ICT patent only.. ;)

Pedants on a internet forum.. who'da thunk it!

I just think it's amazing how similar the bikes seem. It always seemed to me Spec could make a silly legal mess over E's use of a horst link. Wandered if it could go the other way...
 

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Rich9000 said:
Sheesh next time I'll just state the ICT patent only.. ;)

Pedants on a internet forum.. who'da thunk it!

I just think it's amazing how similar the bikes seem. It always seemed to me Spec could make a silly legal mess over E's use of a horst link. Wandered if it could go the other way...
Ellsworth already pays specialized, so there's no need to make a mess out of it.
 

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Rich9000 said:
Sheesh next time I'll just state the ICT patent only.. ;)

Pedants on a internet forum.. who'da thunk it!

I just think it's amazing how similar the bikes seem. It always seemed to me Spec could make a silly legal mess over E's use of a horst link. Wandered if it could go the other way...
I spoke to someone at S about this and mentioned it several times. This particular employee is very well known and clearly stated, in no uncertain terms, that Ellsworth pays Specialized to use the chainstay/dropout pivot location.
 

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Rich9000 said:
No Turner content and an old story, I know..

BUT when Specialized comes up with bikes like this isn't there some ICT / horst linkage patent infringement???
No, but I'm sure they have violated some look-n-feel patent, because that thing is pretty much a carbon copy of a Santa Cruz Nomad . . .
 

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Perhaps theres some "Cross-licensing" going on?;)
 

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so my question is, who owns the rights to the diamond ht frame?
No matter who invented it, Gary Fisher will take credit for it.
 

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I'm definitely not liking the curved downtube look that Specialized and Giant are adopting. Why should high-end mountain bikes resemble women's cruiser bikes? ew.
 
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