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Sunday short bus shuttle started out pretty ruff today. just after dropping in off the saddle we took a line to hit a drop and some ******* put a 150lb rock in a place that u could only see until it was too late. it was riden the night berfore and said it was clear at that point. I know people are gonna say well then stay on the trail and bla bla bla...but if u wanna block something do it at the begining nit in the middle or in a blind spot. that is just trying to hurt someone.
I can say personaly if I catch anyone doing that I will smash them with a rock.

I hope whoever did this or likes to do these things sees this.

Not only is it illegal to move things in the reserve regardless of reason, and no it wasnt a ranger they would have blocked the entrance not laid a boobie trap. On top of it it cost mike a Marz. 66, and could have cost him his life, ability to walk and or ride again not to mention the pain he probley will feel tomorrow.
Here are some pics. I hope who ever did this sees the repercusions and realizes that if someone was to die or be severely injured they would be responsible. Better hope its the rangers that catch u doing these things is all I can say.

Here is the rock took two of us to move it...

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And the rest of the trap was more rocks and a couple logs which cant be seen until its too late....
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the distance of the fall and rock in foreground
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More of where he fell, and posh fell to not run him over...

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The bike...
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The gash after i pulled the rock out.....lucky this is his injuries.......

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So please next time u think of moving rocks or doing some vigilanty stuff plz dont....
 

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That is [email protected]*D UP!!!!!!!!!! I hate people who are just plain *******s trying to cause a person, who is just trying to have fun by riding something different, harm. Seriously though, what the [email protected] is wrong with whoever did this!!??!
 

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That is jusy wrong, I really hope the idiot gets cought someday.
I also have noticed traps here and there, it really is getting bad.
Glad Mike was not hurt worse,

That fork can have a stem made and pressed back in , -----I Really hope this guy gets found so he can have a road flair droped in his car .
 

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I'm Lazy, So I Shuttle
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Discussion Starter · #5 · (Edited)
surprise

....a fellow rider goes down due to someone trying to harm bikers and thats what u say.
 

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I was riding up National to BV yesterday before dark. I removed a 30lb rock placed at the landing of a 2 1/2 ft drop off granite, the one with the depression/crack in the run up that can kinda suck up your suspension and speed a bit. A-Holes.
 

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That SUCK'S. If I ever catch one of thiese FVCK'S I'm gona have a ball with my new carbon fiber knuckle gloves.


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That was a nasty hit. I've never seen a fork break like that.

Why would you ride blindly into something like that? Don't you think that if you are doing high risk moves, the rider has a responsibility to clear the area first to make sure it is safe? This is akin to making sure there is not a log in the lake when you want to jump off a big rock into it.

We have had several of these incidences noted on the boards. I am not at all in favor of folks changing/booby trapping trails. It still seems to me that the rider is ultimately responsible to be in control of their ride, and that includes knowing the trail conditions before launching off something blindly. If you don't know, then don't take that risky line without clearing it first.

The rock mover did not break that fork, the rider showed bad judgment. Hopefully lesson learned, and I'm glad he was not hurt worse.

Caveat: I do not know how these trails are usually ridden. Perhaps it is usual and customary to launch this thing blindly, and this group has done so, many, many times, and they feel super confident just going into it blindly. Be careful out there, sometimes familiarity brings an overconfidence that can be dangerous.
 

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Nah, you played and you payed.

Ever think stop and think of all the people ypu guys piss off riding off trail in a crowded heavily used PRESERVE? My guess is plenty.

But no, booby traps arn't cool and I hope the perpetrator gets his due. Maybe it was the A-holes that keep knowingly violate pupblic riule in a heavily used PRESERVE.,
 

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he shou;dn't have to clear an area he has ridden many time before, if people didn't put huge immovable abjects in an obvious trail, all would have been good. dont blame the rider, blame the dick face that blatantly tried to hurt some one.
 

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This is scary on so many different levels. I don't know the riders so I reserve comment, just glad things weren't worse. I would have never thought you could snap a steering tube on a 66. I suppose when we live in a high density urban area we have to deal with all kinds of nut cases but putting a rock in the way to harm someone is very disturbing. Apparently extra caution is warranted until the person is found. We had a old guy digging holes in the shadows on the trail on the Fullerton Loop it took a year but the police finally caught him. Problems is the court gave him probation but the booby traps stopped.

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Enel said:
Why would you ride blindly into something like that?

Maybe there is something to be said for that, but do you really check out every line before you commit to it?
 

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Jayem said:
Maybe there is something to be said for that, but do you really check out every line before you commit to it?
If it's a drop to something blind I do.

But I'm a wuss.
 

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SunDog said:
Nah, you played and you payed.

Ever think stop and think of all the people ypu guys piss off riding off trail in a crowded heavily used PRESERVE? My guess is plenty.

But no, booby traps arn't cool and I hope the perpetrator gets his due. Maybe it was the A-holes that keep knowingly violate pupblic riule in a heavily used PRESERVE.,
While hiking with my family on Saturday, I had some words with a few people jumping at the intersection of the Hidden Valley trail and National. Their attitude was in between inferring that I was somehow in the wrong for suggesting that their actions were likely harm my right to ride and treating me like a pest. I only spoke up in the first place because I heard one of them *****ing when other mountain bikers told them that moving rocks was lame.

One of them, Ryan, played the race card and introduced himself as a Native American and said that I as a white man had no right to tell him what to do. ( I can't even think of a proper response to this comment. )

They did replace the boulder that they had moved off of the edge of the trail to ease their landing, but were less than contrite in ridiculing myself and family by upbraiding us for being off trail because we were sitting on the boulder that forms fat man's pass.

My original intent was not to publish this here and provide further documentation of bad behaviour by mountain bikers. But here I see people publishing photographs of their own illegal actions. This is just crazy and stupid. If you want to catch the booby trapper, sit and wait and photograph him. Not yourselves.

This particular stunt went right across the National Trail and was performed in full view of several groups of hikers. The action of this particular group weren't especially irresponsible or destructive, but they left a pretty bad taste in my mouth in that they didn't take some needed advice and made me out to be the bad person in the whole situation. This attitude smacks of a mentality of entitlement.

Please try to remember that South Mountain is a treasure. I can hardly believe my good luck in being able to ride such excellent trails right from my house. It's just amazing that the trails are so open to bicycles and that most of the hikers have a very accepting attitude towards mountain biking here.
 

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im buzzed and read this but why name your self hikerdave? are you looking to play both sides?

I could give two shits about how whom ever was riding, "you" . . . not you dave .. . just cost this kid (man . . .cause hes a f u c k i n pinner) a friggin fork and atleast days riding.

The only bottom line here is someone took it upon themselves to be a malicious mother ducker and upon their own determination and sheer lack any other indivudals wellbeing decide that injuring some said rider is the best way to go. F u ck man I live in one of the worst HOA's in the Valley and it pisses me more off to read about this than have to pay $409 a month for my shite arese HOA's. . .

SOMO is a treasure . . . im starting to find that but it's full of arsehole riders, hikers, and f in whatever else.

rant over. . .

Mike sorry man. . . guess you jinxed yourself when you asked me on friday if I wanted to trade forks. . .

Hit me up if you need one.
 

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Stu, I didn't know you were out there today. You must have left before we got there. Must just missed you too Riggse! Would have been good to see you guys!

Honestly, I was more concerned when I saw Mikey driving the short bus from Buena Vista:eek:
 

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I've been told many, many times by IMBA and CORBA that the Golden Riding Rule is to always ride in control. Control, by nature, includes being able to stop in time for inexsplicable, unforseen objects,as the nature of the condition of trails is in a constant state of change b y Mother Nature. If you can't and don't stop in time, then you exercised poor judgement and were not riding in control.
Good judgment comes from experience, Experience comes from bad judgment.

I ride on trails full of bullsh*t, postholes full of Horsesh*t, multi use trails full of dogsh*t, and there's some trails in Orange and San Diego county, California where some SOB is dumping his own human feces in a choice spot on a single track where you can't see it, but you'll know it as you roll through it, what it is.

The moral of the story is...

Ride in control, you just don't know what kind of sh*t you'll run into on the trails.
 

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SunDog said:
Nah, you played and you payed.

Ever think stop and think of all the people ypu guys piss off riding off trail in a crowded heavily used PRESERVE? My guess is plenty.

But no, booby traps arn't cool and I hope the perpetrator gets his due. Maybe it was the A-holes that keep knowingly violate pupblic riule in a heavily used PRESERVE.,
+1 !!!!
 

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RandyBoy said:
I've been told many, many times by IMBA and CORBA that the Golden Riding Rule is to always ride in control. Control, by nature, includes being able to stop in time for inexsplicable, unforseen objects,as the nature of the condition of trails is in a constant state of change b y Mother Nature. If you can't and don't stop in time, then you exercised poor judgement and were not riding in control.
Good judgment comes from experience, Experience comes from bad judgment.

I ride on trails full of bullsh*t, postholes full of Horsesh*t, multi use trails full of dogsh*t, and there's some trails in Orange and San Diego county, California where some SOB is dumping his own human feces in a choice spot on a single track where you can't see it, but you'll know it as you roll through it, what it is.

The moral of the story is...

Ride in control, you just don't know what kind of sh*t you'll run into on the trails.
I'd like to see you stop in the middle of a near-vertical rock roller. The fact that Mike didn't die is a testament to his bike control.

I was told that this section had been ridden yesterday and was clear. True, you should always check that the landing is clear, but its pretty sad that someone took it upon themselves to set a trap like this :mad:

Glad to see Mike is ok (Posh too, glad you didn't squash Mike!) and I will be more vigilant in double checking trail features before riding them.
 

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Call me ignorant... but I am curious why it is assumed that the rock was placed there as "a trap"?

Is the line not off trail?

Is it not possible that the rock was placed there to close this route?

Would a smaller rock offered any resistance what so ever and in turn would a smaller rock have closed this line successfully?

SoMo is a great place to ride with endless combination of obstacles both on and off trails. However, if we (the small, almost powerless minority of mountain bikers) keep up this attitude of trail building when we see fit, I see SoMo being lost to all those of the two wheeled persuasion.
 
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