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Socom and 951 - what's the point?

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gravityfreaky

Discussion Starter · Jun 17, 2009

Was just on the Intense website looking at the geometry and specs for both bikes. They are SOO similar that I wonder what the point is in having both in the Intense Range?

Asthetics aside - why would / should someone pick the one over the other ?

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iRider

· #2 · Jun 18, 2009

73 mm vs. 83 mm BB and the Socom is lighter by nearly a pound. :thumbsup:

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gravityfreaky

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 18, 2009

You are incorrect. This straight from the Intense website:

951

Weight 9.5lbs
Travel 8-8.5

Socom
Weight 9.6 lbs
Travel 8

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Uncle Cliffy

· #4 · Jun 18, 2009

Maybe that's the weight for a small or something. I just read where someone got their medium and it was 10.4 lbs.

I think the main benefit to the 951 is the geometry and travel are more adjustable and the rear end is supposed to be a bit stiffer. (Pure internet speculator here BTW.)

Either bike will rip. If you don't see the benefits, go for whatever's cheaper.

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gravityfreaky

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jun 18, 2009

For sure I acknowledge that they're both nice bikes and I would happily have either. It was more a question of why they (Intense) have produced and continue to produce two bikes which seem so similar. For a small production company - surely it would be better to sell 100 on the one rather than 50 of each? Mr Intense ?

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rufusdesign

· #6 · Jun 18, 2009

Because they can and the 951 is by far the sickest frame on the market today.

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EF76

· #7 · Jun 18, 2009

im sure now that the 951 is complete, the Soc will get is turn in the EVO lab.... its due for a freshenin... I wanna see it get even lighter. like a 7.5" Spider. Make the Soc the super-flyweight in the lineup.

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zark

· #8 · Jun 18, 2009

EF76 said:
im sure now that the 951 is complete, the Soc will get is turn in the EVO lab.... its due for a freshenin... I wanna see it get even lighter. like a 7.5" Spider. Make the Soc the super-flyweight in the lineup.

And by EVO lab you mean axed.

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Stalk

· #9 · Jun 18, 2009

Let's put it in that way: if Socom get axed, my frame will suddenly cost more on the market

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rufusdesign

· #10 · Jun 18, 2009

Stalk said:
Let's put it in that way: if Socom get axed, my frame will suddenly cost more on the market

That's a big negative if it is a socom.

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iRider

· #11 · Jun 18, 2009

gravityfreaky said:
You are incorrect. This straight from the Intense website:

951

Weight 9.5lbs
Travel 8-8.5

Socom
Weight 9.6 lbs
Travel 8

Trusting claimed weights is soooo ...... noob!

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iRider

· #12 · Jun 18, 2009

EF76 said:
im sure now that the 951 is complete, the Soc will get is turn in the EVO lab.... its due for a freshenin... I wanna see it get even lighter. like a 7.5" Spider. Make the Soc the super-flyweight in the lineup.

I would rather see it at 8". If you only want 7.5" you just can build an Uzzi VP as a downhill bike.

But I agree. Can't wait to see what Jeff is doing to the Socom now that all the people that can't appreciate a superlight bike with 73 mm BB are jumping for the 951.

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iRider

· #13 · Jun 18, 2009

Stalk said:
Let's put it in that way: if Socom get axed, my frame will suddenly cost more on the market

Or it would be worth less because the remaining inventory will be sold on chainlove for 999 $.

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dhbikerczar

· #14 · Jun 18, 2009

Just a quick question to somewhat derail this conversation, but can you put a DRS on either or both of these frames? (951 and SoCom)?

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gravityfreaky

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jun 19, 2009

I can't see why you couldnt as it mounts like any other BB mounted chainguide (i.e. doesnt use the ISCG tabe) BUT - whether you can run a front deraileur or not is another question.

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kntr

· #16 · Jun 19, 2009

I want them to build a FR version of the Socom and call it the BROCOM. It could be a heavy duty FR.

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richiban

· #17 · Jun 19, 2009

from what i've heard socom is no longer in production so the reason they offer both is actually that they aren't making both. 951 has replaced the socom. my shop had an order in for a few of them and we heard a while ago that we'll be getting none...951's are coming instead.

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dhbikerczar

· #18 · Jun 19, 2009

I would consider the deraileur part of the DRS, so I guess to me most specific, does anybody know if one can put a chain guide, dual rings, and a deraileur on this frame? I think on the SoCom you had to grind down the normal Shimano deraileurs to get them to fit on the frame, but one could get it to work. I would be a bit surprised that if these are really being sold that someone hasn't tried this already.

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kntr

· #19 · Jun 19, 2009

dhbikerczar said:
I would consider the deraileur part of the DRS, so I guess to me most specific, does anybody know if one can put a chain guide, dual rings, and a deraileur on this frame? I think on the SoCom you had to grind down the normal Shimano deraileurs to get them to fit on the frame, but one could get it to work. I would be a bit surprised that if these are really being sold that someone hasn't tried this already.

Id like to know too.
I run a front derailer on my Socom and it works great.

Will the 951 take a front derailer?

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