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A few of us have custom fatties built w/ a more "XC" geometry. Mine with it's Maverick fork now mounted w/ the Husker Du's/LM's rides quite well on trails & Summer dirt. It also has quite a bit higher BB than snow/sand bikes. Sometimes I think a little too high, but when I get "out amongst 'em" it rips pretty good. It is a big 'ol bike compared to a 26er XC bike, after all it's basicly a 29er. Seems like the high BB gives me some kind of "command" over the big 'ol thing. It also has short chainstays and was built specific for the Maverick's A to C length. I'll dig up a pic for you if you like.

The SandMan has always seemed to be a little more towards an XC design as well... not sure about U.S. availability though.

Rumor has it one of the 2013 Mukluks (the white one I think) will have shorter CS's, and a higher BB specifically to give it better "dirt" abilities. Got a feeling with a Lefty mounted up that one's going to ride summer trails pretty well.

Also, OnOne is putting a more XC oriented fat bike out soon as well. Theres a pretty long thread on here about it. It's pretty cool looking. I'd like to see it w/ a susp. fork on it as well.

Lots of info on Lefty's on this forum, might have to search around a bit. You can still find Maverick's around but I think at this point I'd go Lefty... unless something else pops up in the near future.

Her's a pic of mine. BTW, I LOVE this bike!!
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Sandman HOGGAR Ti | SANDMAN

With the fork high it is a pretty easy riding setup with a comforting enduro geometrie, with the fork low the bike becomes more eager to ride faster.

In the current fat version on the hoggar, the change can not be made on the fly anymore, but one can ask!

The sandman is for sale worldwide, but it 's online!
 

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A Pugsley rides much more like a traditional XC bike than a Mukluk does, due to it shorter headtube.
 

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there's no significant difference in how my pugsley rides compared to any other xc bike I've ever ridden.

in general, it rides like a cross between a rigid bike and a FS bike.

at low speeds, it feels like an FS bike- the tires do the work of the suspension. At higher speeds and on fast downhills, it feels more like a rigid bike- the undamped suspension of the tires bounces you around like a rigid. (YMMV with tire pressure, tire selection, etc)
 

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Probably depends on what your definition of a XC bike would be. :D

As an exercise I compared the dimensions of my Singular Swift and a similar sized Pugsley (my Pugsley is actually the 16" because I bought second hand) using data from the respective manufacturers' websites.

Swift (M) Pugsley (18")
Head Angle 71.5 70.5
Seat Angle 73 72
Ef Top Tube 592 595
C/Stay 450 488
Wheelbase 1082 1082
Standover 796 786

To my mind they're almost too close to call and for me the difference in handling is largely down to the tyres.

EDIT apologies for the formatting:eek:
 

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there's no significant difference in how my pugsley rides compared to any other xc bike I've ever ridden.

in general, it rides like a cross between a rigid bike and a FS bike.

at low speeds, it feels like an FS bike- the tires do the work of the suspension. At higher speeds and on fast downhills, it feels more like a rigid bike- the undamped suspension of the tires bounces you around like a rigid. (YMMV with tire pressure, tire selection, etc)
Totally agree. I upgraded from a Pugs to a Ti Twenty2. One of the reasons was they offered a frame size and geometry that was almost identical to my Pugs. Also went with the 450mm A/C fork (vs the 468) to keep the front end down.

Here's Twenty2's website: https://www.twenty2cycles.com/bikes/fat-snow-bully

Patineto, you can always go custom if you need to fit your unique requirements.
 

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My steel Fatback handles better than my Jamis Trail X3. A lot better. The Fatback is also lighter. While I'm no expert in bike geometry, I can only state how the bike feels and it rocks any surface. It may not be for everyone, but it is for me.
 

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Thanks for all the great responses, I kind of dismiss the Pugs do to the frame been made of steel > corrosion in the snow, but I think is time to reconsider it.

Please keep them coming.
I think you should definitely reconsider, no reason to reject the Pugs (or any other steel frame) because of the material. If you look after it a good steel frame will last a lifetime.
 

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I think you should definitely reconsider, no reason to reject the Pugs (or any other steel frame) because of the material. If you look after it a good steel frame will last a lifetime.
Even if you don't look after it, a steel frame is pretty hard to break/damage/rust out.

When was the last time you saw a crappy old huffy or schwinn that never gets taken inside rust in half?
 

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I think you should definitely reconsider, no reason to reject the Pugs (or any other steel frame) because of the material. If you look after it a good steel frame will last a lifetime.
Oh don't take me wrong, I have Fat chance's, IBIS's, kona's all made of fancy steel and I love them very much, but I do know you need to take special care of them when it comes to water and corrosion, for sure something the fatbike will be expose to..

Does anybody know what kind of tubing is used on the Surly's..!?
 

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I raced and rode XC mountain bikes for years and I feel right at home on my new Moonlander.. I just changed the bars because I didn't like the wide swept back angle of stock bars and I put a slightly shorter and straighter pair on that makes it feel very much like the XC bikes that I'm so used to.

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Nothing wrong with steel, but if you plan to keep a frame for a decade, I would invest in Titanium.

After 10 years you brush it and its as new!

by the way, framesize is verry important for the bike position, I tested a size M and L for the sandman, and they handle different!
 

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Surly uses their proprietary 4130 Cromo steel, double butted main triangle. Nice and beefy but not as heavy as your old Schwinn Le Tour, and not as light as your old Reynolds 531 Trek.

Steel lasts a long time, and a fresh coat of paint or powder coat a few times in its life span will still end up cheaper than Titanium. Different materials for different budgets, but both can be a life long investment.

FWIW, I rode my 38yr old steel bike to work today.
 

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A thorough coating of Amsoil HDMP at first build with a yearly inspection and the Pugsley is a lifetime frame. I know a lot of riders are dumping their Pugsley's for lighter and fatter (and more $$$) bikes, but it is extremely versatile. Any disadvantage my Pugs has had in a race is due to the motor, not the bike.
 
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