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Yeah, yeah, big f'in whoop-de-dee!

I found a built-up 21" MkIII Comp to throw a leg over today. This is what I've been waiting for before picking a fork and a seatpost for my build.

For reference, I'm 6'1 w/ a 33.5" inseam. As I suspected, the shorter effective top tube lengths this year makes the LARGE frame a very good fit for me, whereas I'm riding a Medium (19") 2003 Hollowpoint.

Sorry, they didn't have a medium MkIII built up for me to compare against!

Even with the 120mm stem and the minor setback of the Easton EA50 seatpost, I didn't feel at all stretched out -- although I suspect I'll end up installing a 110 or 100mm stem.

As you may have guessed, standover is not problem on this frame.

The 115mm Reba Race on the Comp confirmed that I'll want to stick with a 5" travel fork on this bike. That seemed to be the steering sweet spot for my general trailbike non-hucking aspirations. Slightly different from my '03, which begins to feel a little slack with 5" of stanchions showing.

Still debating between a straight vs. layback Thomson -- not sure I'll need the rearward saddle shift, so I ought to drop back in for a second look.

Time to get <a href="https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=84431"><font color="blue">this project</font></a> kicked into the assembly phase!

(BTW, the Comp is a very nice spec for the $1699 price I saw hanging off of it. My only uncertainty was the Rock Shox Ario rear shock, which is a new product for '05 and doesn't have much information behind it in the way of rider reports or reliability history).

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too bad you didn't take pictures. I wanted to see what the frame color looks like upclose. Is it just a simple light gray ?
 

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b12yan88 said:
too bad you didn't take pictures. I wanted to see what the frame color looks like upclose. Is it just a simple light gray ?
Yeah, a glossy battleship gray. Plain, but nice, and neutral enough to mix your choice of colors with.

And it looks like I'll be going with the layback seatpost on this build.
 

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Yeah, a glossy battleship gray. Plain, but nice, and neutral enough to mix your choice of colors with.

And it looks like I'll be going with the layback seatpost on this build.
I'm contemplating if it will be cheaper to get the comp and buy the Pike a new wheel and rear shock seperately. The rest doesn't matter all that much to me.
 

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Speedub.Nate said:
It may be. The spec is nothing to sneeze at. The rear Airo may even be woth sticking with if you're not particular -- you won't get much for it aftermarket, but it should do the job nicely if you leave it on the bike.
I was looking towards your direction with the cloudnine. I always hear you talking about how the suspension takes care of all that anti bob stuff, so the cane creeks will be one of the best shocks available. Does their trade in program take any shocks ? or just Cane creek ones. I take care of all my bike maintenance and never paid an LBS for anything but small parts. Some people might scorn at me for not supporting my lbs, but i have fun doing my own stuff. So the cane creek shocks look very appealing to me.
 

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I know what you mean -- it's that whole "do-it-yourself" aspect that appeals to me. Well... that, and that they're good shocks.

I forgot about their trade in program, but yeah, I believe it's still around, and in the past they've taken all brands of shocks (shoot, I still have an old Rock Shox Deluxe laying around somewhere!).

Just be advised, the Cloud Nine will give you a slightly wider range of damping adjustments, plus the psuedo-lockout RCA switch, but you'll lose the volume plate adjustment of the AD-12.
 

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Speedub.Nate said:
I know what you mean -- it's that whole "do-it-yourself" aspect that appeals to me. Well... that, and that they're good shocks.

I forgot about their trade in program, but yeah, I believe it's still around, and in the past they've taken all brands of shocks (shoot, I still have an old Rock Shox Deluxe laying around somewhere!).

Just be advised, the Cloud Nine will give you a slightly wider range of damping adjustments, plus the psuedo-lockout RCA switch, but you'll lose the volume plate adjustment of the AD-12.
OMg, I love you, you respond immediately... so helpful. So what's your input between the two shocks. What's the benefits of getting the volume adjust plate vs the RCA switch. I kinda always liked the locked out feel because i like to pivot and be really active on my bike sometimes. I know it's not a total lockout, but, actually how does it feel?

Care to show what the volume adjust plate looks like, I don't see it when looking at the shock on their site?
 

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This illustration is from the AD12 service instructions, which can be found <a href="https://www.canecreek.com/fileadmin/canecreek/products/shocks/man_shocks/AD12_instructions.pdf"><font color="blue">HERE</font></a>.

As you can see, it's all internal, and the plate can be set to one of three positions by repositioning the retaining ring into the corresponding groove.

The RCA will give you instant ability to stiffen up the compression damping to max. It's not a true lockout (the damping medium is air, after all), but I think it would be more useful on a single pivot or four-bar design.

I'm sorry, I'm drawing a blank -- have you ridden a dw-link bike already? As supple as it is, the dw-link doesn't bob unless the setup is somehow goofed up. It's a firm pedaler because (a) the suspension doesn't respond to rider input and (b) because when the suspension responds to terrain, any pedal feedback is nil, so the bike feels rock solid underneath you.

So in my estimate, you won't get any real gain from using the RCA, but will definitely affect suspension performance in the process.

Then again, if the Cloud Nine air chamber volume is what you need it to be, you don't gain anything by going with the AD-12. Might be a fair question to ask Cane Creek how the volume of the two shoks compares.


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Unfortunately, I have never tried it before, but I'm going to demo one as soon as i find a near by dealer. I'm 170 lbs with gear, which volume position do you use, and how much do you weigh ?
 
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