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bobbotron said:
I thought they were making it a soft tail. :sad:
Their softail is mainly AL with some titanium (I think) in the flex plate.

Steel is actually a new offering from Siren who started out with AL frames.
 

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I think it would match the name well if they could keep some sort of raw look. I wish clearcoat over steel worked better :(
 

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I think it would match the name well if they could keep some sort of raw look. I wish clearcoat over steel worked better :(
Last I heard, the word was that it would be silver with five colours of stickers.
 

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Last I heard, the word was that it would be silver with five colours of stickers.
It will also have Siren's signature bent top tube. Price is yet to be determined, but as I understand it, it will be made from Reynolds tubing, have Paragon sliders, and should come in at $950.00-ish for a frame.
 

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I have nothing against more hardtail choices, I just wonder why it's not that much different from everything else. Why should we buy one over other options? If its not custom geo, I just don't think I can justify the price point.
 

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Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..

1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
 

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theFuzz said:
Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..

1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
You beat me to the post. I agree. Look at the diSSent FE, the Niner SIR, Even the El Mar is not that far off. It falls into that category of not full custom, but not low end either. I imagine all the other bikes will be coming up in price as well, so that price range will be getting popular for those who see more value than a KM or Jabber, but have no need or budget for a Waltworks, etc.
 

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MMcG said:
Their softail is mainly AL with some titanium (I think) in the flex plate.

Steel is actually a new offering from Siren who started out with AL frames.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know the frames they already make, I thought that they were going to extend their soft tail line with a steel framed soft tail.
 

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mtroy said:
You beat me to the post. I agree. Look at the diSSent FE, the Niner SIR, Even the El Mar is not that far off. It falls into that category of not full custom, but not low end either. I imagine all the other bikes will be coming up in price as well, so that price range will be getting popular for those who see more value than a KM or Jabber, but have no need or budget for a Waltworks, etc.
Both yours and Fuzz's responses are good. Maybe what I should ask is how much a custom bike made with the same materials would cost?
 

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Wish I Were Riding said:
Both yours and Fuzz's responses are good. Maybe what I should ask is how much a custom bike made with the same materials would cost?
If you are spec'ing your own geo, or working that out with the builder, and you are using higher end steel, and not general issue CroMo, I would say that the median range for custom steel is 1200 bucks or so. You'll find some that charge more, some less, but that is about the middle of the road.

Start specifying paint, certain braze ons, and what have you, the price will go way up.

As an example I would compare the John Henry to a WaltWorks. You can get his no-nonsense CroMo frame at $1100 and add $120.00 for Paragon sliders, so $1220.00. The difference is that the John Henry is "stock" geometry, Walt's frame is custom.
 

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theFuzz said:
Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..

1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
Love every one of those attributes. :thumbsup:
 

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If you are spec'ing your own geo, or working that out with the builder, and you are using higher end steel, and not general issue CroMo, I would say that the median range for custom steel is 1200 bucks or so. You'll find some that charge more, some less, but that is about the middle of the road.

Start specifying paint, certain braze ons, and what have you, the price will go way up.

As an example I would compare the John Henry to a WaltWorks. You can get his no-nonsense CroMo frame at $1100 and add $120.00 for Paragon sliders, so $1220.00. The difference is that the John Henry is "stock" geometry, Walt's frame is custom.
So for only about $250 more you get custom geo and any basic color you want. Sounds pretty good to me. It also seems like if the stock John Henry geo is fine, its definitely a faster and cheaper way to go. I wish I liked that geo.
 

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frame prices

There are some nice custom frames for 800-1000, so why would a production frame try and compete?
It should compete in the 700-800 market with niner bikes and all of those bikes should fall to 600-700$ due to oversupply. Then they might be worth buying.

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I have nothing against more hardtail choices, I just wonder why it's not that much different from everything else. Why should we buy one over other options? If its not custom geo, I just don't think I can justify the price point.
 

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I think Curtlo is in that range, but it is not something quickly available or sold from your local bike shop (with warranty support, I would guess). I could be completely wrong, but I think the plan is to have this sold through shops. That means that the MSRP may or may not be negotiable.

That could give a shop some room to play with the numbers if they bundle it with a build up group, etc.
 
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