Huh, so another steel hard tail eh?
I thought they were making it a soft tail. :sad:
I thought they were making it a soft tail. :sad:
Sneak pics of Siren Bikes John Henry frame
Brendan @ Siren Bicycles has been working on his soon to be production steel hardtail 29er, the John Henry. This prototype will see some tweaks, so expect some slight changes here and there. More choices for big wheeled riders. Choices are good.
More pics here.
More pics here.
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Their softail is mainly AL with some titanium (I think) in the flex plate.bobbotron said:I thought they were making it a soft tail. :sad:
Steel is actually a new offering from Siren who started out with AL frames.
I think it would match the name well if they could keep some sort of raw look. I wish clearcoat over steel worked better 
Last I heard, the word was that it would be silver with five colours of stickers.boomn said:I think it would match the name well if they could keep some sort of raw look. I wish clearcoat over steel worked better
Looks like a Vassago, with straight stays and all. Looks nice, any one know the price point?
It will also have Siren's signature bent top tube. Price is yet to be determined, but as I understand it, it will be made from Reynolds tubing, have Paragon sliders, and should come in at $950.00-ish for a frame.dinoadventures said:Last I heard, the word was that it would be silver with five colours of stickers.
Sounds like some good specs, shame about the bent top tube.
I have nothing against more hardtail choices, I just wonder why it's not that much different from everything else. Why should we buy one over other options? If its not custom geo, I just don't think I can justify the price point.
Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..
1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..
1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
You beat me to the post. I agree. Look at the diSSent FE, the Niner SIR, Even the El Mar is not that far off. It falls into that category of not full custom, but not low end either. I imagine all the other bikes will be coming up in price as well, so that price range will be getting popular for those who see more value than a KM or Jabber, but have no need or budget for a Waltworks, etc.theFuzz said:Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..
1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know the frames they already make, I thought that they were going to extend their soft tail line with a steel framed soft tail.MMcG said:Their softail is mainly AL with some titanium (I think) in the flex plate.
Steel is actually a new offering from Siren who started out with AL frames.
Both yours and Fuzz's responses are good. Maybe what I should ask is how much a custom bike made with the same materials would cost?mtroy said:You beat me to the post. I agree. Look at the diSSent FE, the Niner SIR, Even the El Mar is not that far off. It falls into that category of not full custom, but not low end either. I imagine all the other bikes will be coming up in price as well, so that price range will be getting popular for those who see more value than a KM or Jabber, but have no need or budget for a Waltworks, etc.
If you are spec'ing your own geo, or working that out with the builder, and you are using higher end steel, and not general issue CroMo, I would say that the median range for custom steel is 1200 bucks or so. You'll find some that charge more, some less, but that is about the middle of the road.Wish I Were Riding said:Both yours and Fuzz's responses are good. Maybe what I should ask is how much a custom bike made with the same materials would cost?
Start specifying paint, certain braze ons, and what have you, the price will go way up.
As an example I would compare the John Henry to a WaltWorks. You can get his no-nonsense CroMo frame at $1100 and add $120.00 for Paragon sliders, so $1220.00. The difference is that the John Henry is "stock" geometry, Walt's frame is custom.
way cool name for a bike. long live JC
Love every one of those attributes. :thumbsup:theFuzz said:Well, the msrp is within $100 of a sir9 so I dont think cost is out of line at all.
This frame does offer a few things I find a bonus that may not matter to others..
1) 71 deg HA instead of what seems to be a standard 72
2) Paragon sliders as opposed to a no name slider or EBB
3) Good amount of standover
4) US built/welded
So for only about $250 more you get custom geo and any basic color you want. Sounds pretty good to me. It also seems like if the stock John Henry geo is fine, its definitely a faster and cheaper way to go. I wish I liked that geo.Guitar Ted said:If you are spec'ing your own geo, or working that out with the builder, and you are using higher end steel, and not general issue CroMo, I would say that the median range for custom steel is 1200 bucks or so. You'll find some that charge more, some less, but that is about the middle of the road.
Start specifying paint, certain braze ons, and what have you, the price will go way up.
As an example I would compare the John Henry to a WaltWorks. You can get his no-nonsense CroMo frame at $1100 and add $120.00 for Paragon sliders, so $1220.00. The difference is that the John Henry is "stock" geometry, Walt's frame is custom.
frame prices
There are some nice custom frames for 800-1000, so why would a production frame try and compete?
It should compete in the 700-800 market with niner bikes and all of those bikes should fall to 600-700$ due to oversupply. Then they might be worth buying.
There are some nice custom frames for 800-1000, so why would a production frame try and compete?
It should compete in the 700-800 market with niner bikes and all of those bikes should fall to 600-700$ due to oversupply. Then they might be worth buying.
Wish I Were Riding said:I have nothing against more hardtail choices, I just wonder why it's not that much different from everything else. Why should we buy one over other options? If its not custom geo, I just don't think I can justify the price point.
What nice custom frame can you get for 800?
I think Curtlo is in that range, but it is not something quickly available or sold from your local bike shop (with warranty support, I would guess). I could be completely wrong, but I think the plan is to have this sold through shops. That means that the MSRP may or may not be negotiable.
That could give a shop some room to play with the numbers if they bundle it with a build up group, etc.
That could give a shop some room to play with the numbers if they bundle it with a build up group, etc.
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