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I have been riding a frankened Turner RFX sporting a Reba 29er fork (set @ 100mm) and a shoter rear shock to run a 650b rear wheel. The current HA is a hair under 67* .The bike really rides well imo. I spent a little time on a Turner Sultan w/ a 70.5* HA (120mm Reba fork) and the descending was not confidence inspiring @ all. I would never, before I tried it, thought a 29" wheel w/ a 66ish degree HA would even steer - it does fine imo. Anyone else prefer a slack 29er or have one ?

 

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I'm not sure there are any production 29er DS bikes that qualify as slack. About the closest I can think of is a WFO with a Dorado, but even that is 68*.
 

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Cool experiment Keen, I'm betting it's uber fun on the descents. How's clearance in the rear with the 650B tyre and what tyre are you using? Says WTB, but didn't know they made a 650B tyre.

Lenz Lunchbox, claimed HA with 150mm travel fork is 67.5*, rear travel is also 150mm/6", only thing that will be around the same is the Banshee Prime when it is released, WFO isn't in this arena unless you put way more fork on it.

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I'm not sure there are any production 29er DS bikes that qualify as slack. About the closest I can think of is a WFO with a Dorado, but even that is 68*.
 

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Cool experiment Keen, I'm betting it's uber fun on the descents. How's clearance in the rear with the 650B tyre and what tyre are you using? Says WTB, but didn't know they made a 650B tyre.

Lenz Lunchbox, claimed HA with 150mm travel fork is 67.5*, rear travel is also 150mm/6", only thing that will be around the same is the Banshee Prime when it is released, WFO isn't in this arena unless you put way more fork on it.
WTB make a Wolverine 2.2 in the 650b. Clearance is around 1/4" but no rock pinging & I don't ride in heavy mud. I use this bike for XC / trail riding = fun. Like I mentioned I never would have thought the slack angle would have worked on a trail bike but it did.
 

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not as slack as 66 degrees, but here's two

new rip9 with an angleset: 68º (with 140mm fork)
new sultan with angleset: 68º (with 140mm fork)
 

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I was just going to suggest an angleset. I have a Tallboy on order that is getting the angleset treatment. I'm shooting for 68.5° w/a 120 fork, 73° seat tube, and 12.8" bb height. Should be a ripper of a trail/endurance bike.

The only thing about the angleset is that you have to run a 1 1/8" steerer fork, so the tapered Reba won't work.

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Actually I believe tha Keith changed the ETT to 25.25" after feedback on here. He can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure that was the final decission.
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I ride XL's but that 25.5" TT is too long for my tastes even for XC use.
 

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Intense Tracer 29 is @ 67.5 degrees and 140mm/5.5" of travel

My Tracer 29 with -1.5 degree Cane Creek Angleset Headset is at 67.5 with 140mm of travel front and rear! "Trail Slayer"I like to call it.
 

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LyNx said:
Actually I believe tha Keith changed the ETT to 25.25" after feedback on here. He can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure that was the final decission.
I reduced it a bit, but only down to 25.4"... One reason it is long, is that I want to encourage people away from long stems... the Prime will ride so much better with 70mm stem or less, and the front wondering will not be an issue due to suspension kinematics... you'll just have to trust me on that one for the time being.

I actually have the entire range base parts for all sizes of prototype frames on my desk in front of me right now to run quality control checks on everything... so far so good!

will take them to the welder later on...
 

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I reduced it a bit, but only down to 25.4"... One reason it is long, is that I want to encourage people away from long stems... the Prime will ride so much better with 70mm stem or less, and the front wondering will not be an issue due to suspension kinematics... you'll just have to trust me on that one for the time being.

I actually have the entire range base parts for all sizes of prototype frames on my desk in front of me right now to run quality control checks on everything... so far so good!

will take them to the welder later on...
The XL Sultan was the first XL frame I had ridden w/ an effective TT length over 25" (25.25") I initially had a 75mm stem and the bike felt quite long in comparison to my XL RFX (24.75" ETT). I switched the 75 out for a 60mm which improved the long feeling. Still the short stem felt a tad aqward even w/ 30" wide bars. I noticed the 2011 Turner Sultan reduced the ETT to 24.5" .
 

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Just out of curiosity... how tall are you?

The 25.4" top tube will be tested, and if feedback says to make it shorter I will, but there were a lot of requests on the forum thread about this bike that actually wanted it to be longer than 25.5" from really tall guys.
 

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Just out of curiosity... how tall are you?

The 25.4" top tube will be tested, and if feedback says to make it shorter I will, but there were a lot of requests on the forum thread about this bike that actually wanted it to be longer than 25.5" from really tall guys.
I am 6'4". Before I rode the 25.25" TT I was sure I wanted a longer TT and a shorter stem but it just felt too long. Also I would have never imagined a 29" front wheel could steer w/ a 66-67* HA - I was wrong again. Maybe the average 29er rider likes long TT's , maybe most 29er riders come from a XC HT background just guessing.
 

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Just built a FS 29er, my 2nd one, check out the HA difference.... Have an Angle Set on the new AM29er (blue one) and a Dorado Pro 29er, she will be quite slack in my opinion now... And could easily go slacker still... Am about half an inch shorter than you keen...

If you want to see more on it, head over to the Nicolai area.





 

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I believe that the longer ETT for the XL is a good move, 'cause there are and were loads of people over 6'4" who want to ride and shouldn't be penalized because of their height and if Banshee isn't making a size over XL, no need to alienate all those taller riders.

I think maybe Keen, you should look at the ETT on bikes and forget about the size. Now if that turns out to be an XL well OK and if it turns out to be a L, oh well once the ETT is what you like. I know that so far I like my ETT above 25" and still run stems over 100mm, so shortening up to something in the 70mm range on the Prime shouldn't be an issue.
 

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LyNx said:
I believe that the longer ETT for the XL is a good move, 'cause there are and were loads of people over 6'4" who want to ride and shouldn't be penalized because of their height and if Banshee isn't making a size over XL, no need to alienate all those taller riders.

I think maybe Keen, you should look at the ETT on bikes and forget about the size. Now if that turns out to be an XL well OK and if it turns out to be a L, oh well once the ETT is what you like. I know that so far I like my ETT above 25" and still run stems over 100mm, so shortening up to something in the 70mm range on the Prime shouldn't be an issue.
:eek: There's no way you'll run Keith's recommendation of a 70 or shorter :eek: Shorter than 100 just don't work, right?
 

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I doubt very much I'd go shorter, but I will try a 70 or 80mm stem on it for sure and see what it feels like. Remember it has a 1/4" (6.3mm) longer ETT :D AND this thing is made for way more knar core riding and I have the Paradox for the smoother trails, so why not :p :D Remember, I have moved to wider bars overall already and shortened up my stem by 1cm, so if I go wider than 685mm (which is most likely) then going shortr on the stem makes sense :p

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:eek: There's no way you'll run Keith's recommendation of a 70 or shorter :eek: Shorter than 100 just don't work, right?
 

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There you Britts go again, putting words into peoples mouths :p :D I said try, not definitely use. More than likely though it will be an 80mm as I found a deal on some OEM stems 80/90/100mm, so cheap try. Don't know I'd like to try a bar that wide, but would maybe like to try 710mm and yes 11* sweep - current is 685/11*

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Blimey! Going for a 70. How many years has that taken? :D

685... I use the Kodex strut bar, 750 wide with 11 deg sweep :thumbsup: (70 stem)
 
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