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From searching, the last thread on skills clinics was from 2017.

Anyone got recommendations for skills instruction that's current? I'm a relatively advanced rider when it comes to trails, but I'm lacking some fundamentals and wouldn't mind polishing them up. I'm specifically interested in learning manuals, bunny hopping, and maybe better cornering.
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I didn't get much out of my group lesson, but lots of folks like Ian Massey. For online lessons, Joy of Bike and Kyle and April both have solid content.
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Just my two cents. Manuals and bunnyhopping are easily self teachable, they just take time and practice. Paying a coach for cornering is well worth it, as there are a lot of things you can be doing wrong.
I did a Dylan Renn weekend group skill session. Was very much worth it. His website is singletrackmind and for he does Bay Area sessions in Palo Alto area. Offers private lessons too.
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How much? I get that premium/celebrity instructors and group vs private are going to have different rates, but any ballpark figures?
Is there value in it? I've paid for fishing lessons not worth a dime and learned more from fishermen that wouldn't take anything more than a maybe a beer and good company.
(edit: I fixed "not worth a time")
$500 for weekend session as I was tired of rabbit holes on YT. I used some of those techniques while riding in Utah.
I didn't get much out of my group lesson, but lots of folks like Ian Massey. For online lessons, Joy of Bike and Kyle and April both have solid content.
Do you think his lessons were too basic? Or was it the teaching style that led you to not get too much value from it?

I did a Dylan Renn weekend group skill session. Was very much worth it. His website is singletrackmind and for he does Bay Area sessions in Palo Alto area. Offers private lessons too.
Can you go into more detail about what made it worth it? Like you saw notable improvement in bike handling right after it? Thanks!
$500 for weekend session as I was tired of rabbit holes on YT. I used some of those techniques while riding in Utah.
Thx. That sounds reasonable for good training over a whole weekend. (vs say $150 for 1 or 2 hours for basics you might already know)
I did a Dylan Renn weekend group skill session. Was very much worth it. His website is singletrackmind and for he does Bay Area sessions in Palo Alto area. Offers private lessons too.
I'll 2nd that, Dylan is an excellent coach, did a clinic with him out in Fairfax several years ago.
Do you think his lessons were too basic? Or was it the teaching style that led you to not get too much value from it?
It was an advanced-level lesson (probably a little too advanced for me!). There was a lot of information overload, and I didn't come away with much in the way of concrete techniques.
I'd throw Brian Astell's name in the mix here, find him at ridetrailworks.com, I did a private lesson with him focused on cornering and in the first 5 minutes I had made breakthroughs that hadn't clicked in months of practice. He's low key and willing to work on whatever you want and will often come to your trails.
I have done Lee Likes Bikes clinics in the past but didn't find much value, couldn't figure out how to transfer the off bike and parking lot drills into on trail skills.
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Can you go into more detail about what made it worth it? Like you saw notable improvement in bike handling right after it? Thanks!
I was tired of going down YT rabbit hole where each rider/"coach" has their own opinion about pretty much everything. One example, position body all the way back while going down steep terrain and I did that. I found myself running out of reach in couple of situations while riding down steep terrain. Dylan, demonstrated why that is not correct and it made sense when I saw him do that. Bike/body separation was another thing. Body positioning while turning at high speeds. Before the skills session I relied on my motorcycle riding muscle memory to turn at high speeds i.e. counter steer & shift body weight which didn't work 100% of time as there are differences between the two.

Personally I just wanted basics to be distilled and demonstrated so that I could follow them in a repeatable, consistent manner and move away from 'ooh let me try this/that depending on which YT video/channel I watched during that week'. Few days ago I signed up for Ryan Leech trial and his content is also very good.
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I'm sure nothing beats a great in-person coach.
For those who still like to explore YT rabbit holes, Simon Lawton's Fluid Ride YT vids are really good. He's a great explainer.
Couple of my faves that most anyone can use.
  • Slaloming:
  • Steep Loose Tech:

The slaloming allowed me to turn even fireroads into big fun (and feels so close to skiiing).
Steep Loose vid helped me ride Stiles better, tho I still suck.
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I'm sure nothing beats a great in-person coach.
For those who still like to explore YT rabbit holes, Simon Lawton's Fluid Ride YT vids are really good. He's a great explainer.
Couple of my faves that most anyone can use.
  • Slaloming:
  • Steep Loose Tech:

The slaloming allowed me to turn even fireroads into big fun (and feels so close to skiiing).
Steep Loose vid helped me ride Stiles better, tho I still suck.
If you're in the Los Angeles area I used to work for Simon Lawton as a FluidRide instructor. If you're interested in more info please check out my website: www.cyclelogical.bike Cheers! Greg
I've worked with Ian twice and my experience has been mixed. On the not-so-great side some of the things he recommended like muscle engagement through rough stuff like braking bumps, directly contradict what I've found makes me more comfortable and confident on the trail. I know some stuff will just feel awkward initially because it's totally different than what I'm used to, but I don't think this was one of them. On the positive his techniques for getting front wheel lift and having more control of that front wheel were really helpful for me getting higher bunny hops and manuals. He also goes deep into muscle recruitment which is a core aspect that I think a lot of YT videos don't go into. He's a "fundamentals first, then add speed" guy, which is a philosophy that I subscribe to.

So I think my conclusion is, he's a solid teacher, but maybe not the one for me. Not trying to bash the guy because he's genuinely a nice dude, has got legit skills and it's probably hard to make it out there as a mtb coach. I'm sure he's the perfect coach for a lot of people out there.
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I did a jump clinic and a private jump session with Dylan and definitely recommend him. He's a solid dude, great skills and actually knows how to teach. The Ryan Leech online courses are great for what Ryan is really good at- trials type skills like balancing, track stands, rocking, hopping, bunny hops, etc. I found the cornering and jumping sections less impressive, but the membership is definitely worthwhile for all the other fundimental skills to work on.
There are two types of coaches. Stoke coaches and method coaches. Personally I want to know what it is the best riders are doing. There are not too many coaches that have raced at a pro level AND are analytical AND have both physics and body mechanics understanding ANd know how and have the experience to be a good coach. Good luck!

I can assure you that someone who tells you to lean back, push down before pulling up, elbows out, and lean the bike seperate from body is teaching you made up junk science that works better than what your current fundamental lacking skillset is good at. And it's going to get you hurt as soon as you start adding more speed and multiple hits.

If you're not an athlete you'll be hard to coach. That means you've likely never been asked to do musclular body recruitments. Youll be a noodily mess and your hopes of learning how to jump and manual and corner are over. You need to start from square 1, drop your falsely built ego and start all over from first step learning to hold yourself on the bike. It's not a pose or position it's a recruitment that uses leverage to manipulate the bike. There is no quick short cut to success.

So ask yourself first. Do you really want to learn how to ride even if it deflates your ego? Or do you wanna just get stoked and high fived and learn some temporary gains for long term failure?

I don't envy coaches. In this day n age of thinking you can watch a YouTube video and learn anything about riding your bike....or want it all in a quick easy lesson or two ... Good luck MTB coaches. No wonder they typically just give you some random "attack position" and have you twist all contorted to corner 🤣🤣
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Not a skills clinic, but I really enjoyed the video series Ben Cathro did with Pink Bike. He really on it, but not rigid with form. He'd be great to take an actual class from.
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Ian teaches the fundamentals of a very advanced riding style.
I agree with Yody, it a lengthy process to develope it to it full potential.
Most would be best served buying a ten pack of lessons from Ian, and working diligently over the course of a year on the skills.
Several years back I decided to better my shortcomings on the mountain bike. That involved frequently going to Pleasanton Dirt Jump Park (mild and progressive. Good place to start), riding every pump track I could get to, several seasons of BMX racing, AND LESSONS/COACHING.
My limited time spent with Ian was fequently a challenge, because we were dealing with my limiting riding form that has been heavily ingrained over decades of mountain biking.
His initial assesment of "you go pretty fast, considering how terrible your form is" was spot on, and I planned on buying a ten pack of lessons and really working on it, then Pandemic hit.
My goal was a overall podium spot in the CES. Ian has seen and knows who I will up against, and can determine and help correct the things needed to get me there.
He can for anyone... But it is a process
Buy into the process, dedcate the time and effort to complete the process, and you will be better for it for a very long time. You might crash less often too :)
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