Yo homies. I just realized, after about 1,000 miles, that this POS LBS installed my UST rim strips and valve stems on my Mavic 819's (they also built the wheels) after I bought from them a Stan's No Tubes kit and asked them to install it using NON-UST Nevegals, they still used the Stan's sealent. Now the funny thing is I had never seens another Stan's kit on somebody's wheels, which is why I didn't realize. They hadn't been sealing very well, needed to re-seal them about every two months, but it worked well more or less till I blew the front Presta valve off which is when I realized what this shop did. So my questions are, has anybody else done this? Might there be any detremental side effects to the rim from having done this? Thirdly this shop is sketchy, after another incident I never brought my bike back to them, they're Mt. Tam Bikes in Marin. I'd really appreciate some comments back. THANKS! Woogie11 out.
Sketchy ass LBS? HELP!
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Thought the schools in Mill Valley were pretty good, not so sure now. Is English your second language? Homies in Mill Valley? Are you nuts? I'd try and help you with your problem but I couldn't get thru the first few sentences. Just my .02, but before you b*tch about something, maybe you should learn to do it yourself instead. It ain't rocket science. Probably the shop couldn't even understand what you said if you didn't get what you ordered.
So here's what happened. I got a set of wheels built by this shop using 819's. With these rims came UST strips and valves. I bought from this same shop a Stan's No Tube kit and asked that it be installed on these rims using NON-UST Kenda Nevegals. I just let them hang onto everything (the UST strips and the Stans kit). until the installation was done What was done is that they installed UST strips and valves onto these rims but using Stan's sealent with NON-UST Kenda Nevegals. I only realized what had happened after my Presta valve on the front rim broke and I got a replacement from a shop and saw that the valves and rim strips were totally different, The shop said they had never seen this before. I would like to know if anybody's had that happen and what, if anything, it does to your rim? Thanks.
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I repeat: 819 rims do not use or need or come with rim strips. There is no Mavic UST rim strip for 819 rims. The Mavic site states rim strips are not needed and should not be used even when running inner tubes. They do come with valves that fit directly in the valve hole, the only hole that is in the inner wall of the rim.woogie11 said:
The Stan's rim strip design has changed a couple of times. one of yours may be a newer/older design.
I still do not know what tires have been on your wheels.
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Sketchy user, not sketchy LBS. You have no idea what you have or needed.woogie11 said:
You did not make it clear or I misread that they actually did install the tires you asked for. Needing to reseal every couple of months is normal for a Stan's setup.
I am "POSSITIVE" (sic) your rim strips are NOT UST because they do not exist for 819 rims. I have and use 2 819 wheelsets. No rim strips.
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I think he means the UST rim strips made by notubes. I'm still confused by his questions though.
http://www.notubes.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_59/products_id/31
http://www.notubes.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_59/products_id/31
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I'm sorry you're ****ing retarded. Here's my two cents, don't be a dumbass it's stupid.
You're the one who can't figure out what you've got or need, let alone how to communicate. If you think Shiggy doesn't know his stuff you're very much mistaken.
You're the one who can't figure out what you've got or need, let alone how to communicate. If you think Shiggy doesn't know his stuff you're very much mistaken.
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Funnily enough I have seen this done to a freinds set of 819s and I asked him what the @#$%^& well you can guess the rest.
What happened to him was he wanted to convert his tires with Stans!
So the Lbs drilled the rim to fit the Stans rim strip valve installed larger rim strips. what a waste as Shiggy says this is a UST rim it dosen't require a RIM strip of any kind end of story.
It sounds like yr LBS has given you the Stans valve for your Rim not realising someone else there has converted it with Rim Strips, if they drillled the valve hole the origonal probably won't seal on its own.
As for the tires not stayin up, could be a number of things I tend to use more Stans sealant than they recomend, e.g if they say 1 1/2 I go for 2 cups,
Usually 2 is minimum for me. Note I have used Stans in Kendas as well and the Kevlar bead version is pretty lose on the rim, plus Kenda do not recommend Stans for there tires so like me its at yr own risk.
Good luck and good night.
What happened to him was he wanted to convert his tires with Stans!
So the Lbs drilled the rim to fit the Stans rim strip valve installed larger rim strips. what a waste as Shiggy says this is a UST rim it dosen't require a RIM strip of any kind end of story.
It sounds like yr LBS has given you the Stans valve for your Rim not realising someone else there has converted it with Rim Strips, if they drillled the valve hole the origonal probably won't seal on its own.
As for the tires not stayin up, could be a number of things I tend to use more Stans sealant than they recomend, e.g if they say 1 1/2 I go for 2 cups,
Usually 2 is minimum for me. Note I have used Stans in Kendas as well and the Kevlar bead version is pretty lose on the rim, plus Kenda do not recommend Stans for there tires so like me its at yr own risk.
Good luck and good night.
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you fool
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I'll try to help. If you wanted them to use NON-UST Kenda Nevegals, they would need to use Stans sealant. BUT, they should NOT have used any rim strips on the Mavic XM819 rim.
I have found that even if you use UST tires, you usually still need Stan's sealant to get them to really seal. Because the rim is designed to NOT need a strip, it probably made it harder to actually run the tires tubeless by putting the strip in. I'm willing to bet that since you were using a NON-UST tire, the shop employee thought he would need to use the Stan's rim strip. But he is incorrect. And if he did not drill the valve hole to accommodate the Stan's rim strip, that is what caused the valve to to blow. That would be a good thing, because you do not want the valve hole drilled out on the 819 rim. If he DID drill the valve hole, you have a problem.
If he did not drill the valve hole, simply take out the rim strip, put in the mavic valve, add some Stan's sealant, put on the NON-UST Nevegals. Lube the tire and rim with soapy water. Pump up to 60 psi. Swish the tire around till any leaks at the bead fill with the Stan's sealant and stop leaking. Let all pressure out of the tire. Refill to 60 psi. check for leaks, swish wheel around if needed. let out all pressure. Refill to desired pressure (30-50 psi). You should be good.
like I said, you only have a problem with your wheels if the shop drilled the valve hole. If they drilled the valve hole, you will need to take it up with them and see if they will replace your rim, since they, as far as I know, irreparably damaged the rim by drilling the valve hole..
I have found that even if you use UST tires, you usually still need Stan's sealant to get them to really seal. Because the rim is designed to NOT need a strip, it probably made it harder to actually run the tires tubeless by putting the strip in. I'm willing to bet that since you were using a NON-UST tire, the shop employee thought he would need to use the Stan's rim strip. But he is incorrect. And if he did not drill the valve hole to accommodate the Stan's rim strip, that is what caused the valve to to blow. That would be a good thing, because you do not want the valve hole drilled out on the 819 rim. If he DID drill the valve hole, you have a problem.
If he did not drill the valve hole, simply take out the rim strip, put in the mavic valve, add some Stan's sealant, put on the NON-UST Nevegals. Lube the tire and rim with soapy water. Pump up to 60 psi. Swish the tire around till any leaks at the bead fill with the Stan's sealant and stop leaking. Let all pressure out of the tire. Refill to 60 psi. check for leaks, swish wheel around if needed. let out all pressure. Refill to desired pressure (30-50 psi). You should be good.
like I said, you only have a problem with your wheels if the shop drilled the valve hole. If they drilled the valve hole, you will need to take it up with them and see if they will replace your rim, since they, as far as I know, irreparably damaged the rim by drilling the valve hole..
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true, but I've had no problems using standard tires without the stans rim strip on the 819s. plus, using the rim strips still brings up the problem of drilling the valve hole, which means you can't go back to using the Mavic valve with UST tires. ah well.shiggy said:
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