SIR 9 or El Mariachi?
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Assuming the El Mariachi and Dos Niner have the same geometry...
I have a Dos and a Sir 9. I love the Dos and got the Sir Nine anyway. They both ride nicely. I am 6' with a 33" inseam. Since I rode each one yesterday on the same loop I noticed that the Dos Nine was faster and smoother even though it is made of scandium but I attributed this to the Salsa rear shock. The feel of the Sir 9 was more rigid, quick yet still smooth when compared to the Dos and certainly more comfortable than my old GF Rig frame. I noticed that the top tube is still higher on the Dos. For ss I like the Sir 9 geometry but I am still pretty new on that frame.
I have a Dos and a Sir 9. I love the Dos and got the Sir Nine anyway. They both ride nicely. I am 6' with a 33" inseam. Since I rode each one yesterday on the same loop I noticed that the Dos Nine was faster and smoother even though it is made of scandium but I attributed this to the Salsa rear shock. The feel of the Sir 9 was more rigid, quick yet still smooth when compared to the Dos and certainly more comfortable than my old GF Rig frame. I noticed that the top tube is still higher on the Dos. For ss I like the Sir 9 geometry but I am still pretty new on that frame.
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Here is my justfication.
Well I had the same question running around in my head about two weeks ago.
But I got the large SIR9™ niner coming in the mail for two important reasons and one not so. I spent a long time thinking about it since I haven't rode either bike. I just measured my bontrager for sizing and went for it. Oh im 6ft 1in and about 34in inseem.
1) For me If you want gears i like SIR's ability to switch. Good Reason for me.
I know the non limited editions have hangers but a couple other reasons below. But the LE paint aaahhhh it's enough just to go single speed isn't it?
2) The SIR9™ seemed a little smaller then the EL MARIACHI™ LE both LG size. Coming from a 26er world I didn't want to feel burdened by a larger frame.
The SIR based on geometry seems to have a lower standover at 30.7 vs 31.6 (my bontrager 30.6in standover) and the SIR's seat tube length is 19 vs EL 21.6. The rear chain stays are about .5 inches shorter tucking that rear wheel under you and seat tube angle 73.5vs73 meaning more room for the rear wheel. Good Reasons but any body that has riden them might know better then some numbers.
3) Last Reynolds 853 with a very traditional frame. Meaning no drop top tube with the extra triangle, why more metal? Not the biggest reason because they geometry is cool on the salsa.
Man both are two sweet bikes and to top it they both have great colors.
Oh one other reason niner has a picture of the suspension fork clearing the down tube. I would assume that a company like salsa would make sure to have and LG frame have the crown of a suspension fork clear also. I was concerned since other companys seemed to have produced a few models that will bash the crown right inot the frame.
Well I had the same question running around in my head about two weeks ago.
But I got the large SIR9™ niner coming in the mail for two important reasons and one not so. I spent a long time thinking about it since I haven't rode either bike. I just measured my bontrager for sizing and went for it. Oh im 6ft 1in and about 34in inseem.
1) For me If you want gears i like SIR's ability to switch. Good Reason for me.
I know the non limited editions have hangers but a couple other reasons below. But the LE paint aaahhhh it's enough just to go single speed isn't it?
2) The SIR9™ seemed a little smaller then the EL MARIACHI™ LE both LG size. Coming from a 26er world I didn't want to feel burdened by a larger frame.
The SIR based on geometry seems to have a lower standover at 30.7 vs 31.6 (my bontrager 30.6in standover) and the SIR's seat tube length is 19 vs EL 21.6. The rear chain stays are about .5 inches shorter tucking that rear wheel under you and seat tube angle 73.5vs73 meaning more room for the rear wheel. Good Reasons but any body that has riden them might know better then some numbers.
3) Last Reynolds 853 with a very traditional frame. Meaning no drop top tube with the extra triangle, why more metal? Not the biggest reason because they geometry is cool on the salsa.
Man both are two sweet bikes and to top it they both have great colors.
Oh one other reason niner has a picture of the suspension fork clearing the down tube. I would assume that a company like salsa would make sure to have and LG frame have the crown of a suspension fork clear also. I was concerned since other companys seemed to have produced a few models that will bash the crown right inot the frame.
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I think Donkey is on key here.
Personally I have a SIR Niner. I really enjoy it. I like the feel of the steel, the quality of the build, the price and especially the people who are "behind" the bike. But the most important factor should be fit.
If you buy a $20,000 frame and it doesn't fit, you most likely won't like riding it.
Personally I have a SIR Niner. I really enjoy it. I like the feel of the steel, the quality of the build, the price and especially the people who are "behind" the bike. But the most important factor should be fit.
If you buy a $20,000 frame and it doesn't fit, you most likely won't like riding it.
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Sorry for me not being explicit.
"I know the non limited editions have hangers but a couple other reasons below. But the LE paint aaahhhh it's enough just to go single speed isn't it?"
Plus the user posting the request was not explicit about which El Mariachi they were interested in.
I would have to agree with everyone saying that the size matters. One thing to notice that seemed kinda odd to me was the size difference in seat tube length on the SIR 9 large and medium 19in vs 16.5 on the seat tube length. If i was thinking medium i was going to lean towards the El Mariachi.
Sorry for me not being explicit i mentioned th LE and also mentioned that the production models had hangers.shiggy said:
"I know the non limited editions have hangers but a couple other reasons below. But the LE paint aaahhhh it's enough just to go single speed isn't it?"
Plus the user posting the request was not explicit about which El Mariachi they were interested in.
I would have to agree with everyone saying that the size matters. One thing to notice that seemed kinda odd to me was the size difference in seat tube length on the SIR 9 large and medium 19in vs 16.5 on the seat tube length. If i was thinking medium i was going to lean towards the El Mariachi.
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2 others that are interesting but i don't think there around yet
Haro is supposed to be coming out with a single speed called the "Mary" but I think you will have to wait to get one.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=180089&highlight=otter
Plus redline is supposed to have a reynolds verson of the monocog on the drawing board. But speaking of this if your riding a monocog what are you looking to change in the new frame.
Other wise going custom the Soulcraft Holy Roller would also be on my top ten. But for me the cost and time was a little prohibative.
Haro is supposed to be coming out with a single speed called the "Mary" but I think you will have to wait to get one.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=180089&highlight=otter
Plus redline is supposed to have a reynolds verson of the monocog on the drawing board. But speaking of this if your riding a monocog what are you looking to change in the new frame.
Other wise going custom the Soulcraft Holy Roller would also be on my top ten. But for me the cost and time was a little prohibative.
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