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Is single pivot 4 the rear suspension not as good as "4 link"(??) style??
Thanks
Anto
Thanks
Anto
Single pivot rear is not as good as other styles?
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depends who you ask. they are more simple, require much less maintenence than any othe design, and can be good bikes if the leverage ratios and angles are good.
a lot of people hate single pivots just because this and that, but im personally a fan. they are cheap and last long.
a lot of people hate single pivots just because this and that, but im personally a fan. they are cheap and last long.
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"a lot of people hate single pivots just because "this and that" " whats "this and that" mean?Djponee said:
single pivots work great, especially with the newer shock technologies out there. Take a look at who has been riding what and there are a lot of single pivots out there, of course it is the simplest and oldest technology so if you want to impress your friends with all your linkage and pivots you are at a diadvantage. Look at all the single pivots on the trails, in shops, etc. Some of the linkage systems have advantages, but depending on what you are looking for it may or may not be the right design for you.
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Single pivot seems to be more flickable and has an overall more lively feel to it. Alot of 4 bar or confusing suspension designs are great for DH speed through rock gardens and stiffness but seem harder to place the rear end where you want it. Brake jack is BS, just ride your damm bike
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Brake Jack is not BS. Brake jack is a L in the loss column.
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Cool thanks guys. looked up "brake jack" and wow really confusing... is it when u get on the back brakes it wants to swing the rear arm up and compress the rear suspension?
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As far as your concerned.Lelandjt said:
There is a reason there are varying options for WC DH riders. If Single Pivots didn't work or appeal for certain riders wouldn't we see nothing but DW or VPP represented in the top of the sport and nothing else? Or hell for that matter anyone who was all about VPP could say that VPP is what works "better" but yet again we see more options available.
My opinion is try out what you can and find what you like. You are really the only input you need, at least as far as some things are concerned. Everyone has their pros and cons and trust me, quite a few people here will argue until you cut their testicles off about what's better.
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Why, why do you guys call brake-induced suspension compression of single pivot bikes "brake jack"? It's called "brake squat". "Brake jack" is the opposite - brake-induced suspension decompression, it happens on most 4-bars but can't happen on any single-pivot. Sorry for being nerd 
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Personally after owning a Trance, a single pivot bike for a first DH bike really appealed to me. Yes the simplicity and easy maintenance is primarily what lead me to buy the Orange 222.
Having ridden it a few times now, yes the brake whateveryawannacallit is noticeable, but it's not such a bad thing as it encourages you to stay off your brakes as much as possible! The chain growth when pedalling takes a little getting used to as well.
I love my 222 though and my next bike probably would be a single pivot as well. Really I think geometry and fit as well as suspension set up is probably more crucial than the type of bike you have though.
Having ridden it a few times now, yes the brake whateveryawannacallit is noticeable, but it's not such a bad thing as it encourages you to stay off your brakes as much as possible! The chain growth when pedalling takes a little getting used to as well.
I love my 222 though and my next bike probably would be a single pivot as well. Really I think geometry and fit as well as suspension set up is probably more crucial than the type of bike you have though.
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Especially in DH single pivot bikes have a fantastic history. With all the systems its more how they are executed rather than what system they are.
Both our world champs this year are running single pivots
The Honda bike Minnar dominated on
Peaty's Orange days
Both our world champs this year are running single pivots
The Honda bike Minnar dominated on
Peaty's Orange days
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no go!!
Just an fyi
minar dominated after he left honda and went VPP!!! ie multi pivots
Just an fyi
minar dominated after he left honda and went VPP!!! ie multi pivots
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Many many races / championships / cups have been won on Single Pivots. Personal preference every time. FACT.
(I ride VPP Personally and prefer it over mt previous Orange single pivot because of less brake stuttering in bumpy sections, plusher feel, rearward wheel path helps with square edge hits etc) but single pivots have their place and there some brilliant SP bikes out there.!
(I ride VPP Personally and prefer it over mt previous Orange single pivot because of less brake stuttering in bumpy sections, plusher feel, rearward wheel path helps with square edge hits etc) but single pivots have their place and there some brilliant SP bikes out there.!
Except for that championship he won in 2005. On his Honda. How about those Atherton kids? Single pivot again. I wonder if Cedric ever wishes he could get his cannondales back? Probably not, they were single pivots too.daisycutter said:
The point is if you can ride fast, you can ride fast. On anything. If you think you are faster on a linkage bike, more power to you. You can buy mine, my next bike I will be going back to single pivot. Stiffer frame, less maintenance , shorter chainstays, and BTW a VPP bike has the same braking problems a single pivot has. The brake jack/squat is due to the bikes wheelbase changing as the suspension cycles.
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