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Anyone Ever Shuttle Mt Diablo?

What's the best way to go and places to park out at the bottom? Planning on doing a ride next weekend, anyone who wants to come out you're more than welcome if you've got a shuttle vehicle or your own ride to the top, as it sits now there's just 2 of us and not alot of room in our volkswagens.
 

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Zonk0u said:
Anyone Ever Shuttle Mt Diablo?

What's the best way to go and places to park out at the bottom? Planning on doing a ride next weekend, anyone who wants to come out you're more than welcome if you've got a shuttle vehicle or your own ride to the top, as it sits now there's just 2 of us and not alot of room in our volkswagens.
My friends and I used to have our GF's drive us to the top and meet us at Mudvilles Diner in Clayton. The ride always started by sharing a six pack on top of mnt D and watching the sun set - follwed by a buzzed DH, we'd ride our fully padded selves up the stairs to the patio at Mudvilles for beers and vittles. Not a bad way to spend the evening.

Take Delvils Elbow to Back Creek trail (narrow and surrounded by manzinita) - there is a short climb between those two trails - but the ride is fine for a DH bike - not very legal though, I don't suspect.
 

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imridingmybike said:
My friends and I used to have our GF's drive us to the top and meet us at Mudvilles Diner in Clayton. The ride always started by sharing a six pack on top of mnt D and watching the sun set - follwed by a buzzed DH, we'd ride our fully padded selves up the stairs to the patio at Mudvilles for beers and vittles. Not a bad way to spend the evening.

Take Delvils Elbow to Back Creek trail (narrow and surrounded by manzinita) - there is a short climb between those two trails - but the ride is fine for a DH bike - not very legal though, I don't suspect.
Where's back creek let out? does it drop you down mitchell canyon, back by diabloview further east of mitchel?

sounds awesome,
cheers.
 

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imjps said:
Shuttling is for weenies. You gotta E A R N your turns.

Though a six pack on top does sound pretty good. :)
ok you ride your dh rig up diablo and see how much energy you have left to have fun on the ride down. :D
 

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Back Creek is a poach and probably one of the busiest trails on the weekend. Also the one that is monitored occasionly by Mr Ranger. It lets out by the Regency gate on the back side of Clayton.
 

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Ebo said:
Back Creek is a poach and probably one of the busiest trails on the weekend. Also the one that is monitored occasionly by Mr Ranger. It lets out by the Regency gate on the back side of Clayton.
It's pretty nice at night with a good buzz on.
:)
 

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i once shuttled mt.D
i left my van at the top and by the time i got back to the gate it was locked
total bummer

had to have my wife drive me up there the next morning before work
i got a 80$ parking ticket
not a good day

now i always ride up and then down

be careful on that moutain
i got arested there once too
for drinking at my campsite
spent the night in county jail
not a good day
i was bike camping too
my friend had to ride down with my bike straped to his rack

i would go down devils elbow and take middle trail (hikeing only)
to claton area
 

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Wow shuttling to poach and poach route suggestions in a public forum, nice. Rangers and those who wish to limit our access on Diablo can read these; even if you do feel the urge, why put it here?
 

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Bikinfoolferlife said:
Wow shuttling to poach
You got a problem with shuttling?

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Rangers and those who wish to limit our access on Diablo can read these
Yes, and they can see us on the trails, too - what's your point?. Do you really think posting info such as this online has an effect? The trails mentioned in this thread are already patrolled regularly - as the rangers know mountain bikers ride them. What more are they going to do? Think about it from the rangers perspective - what could the information on this website possibly be used for?
 

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more to it than you might think

imridingmybike said:
You got a problem with shuttling?

Yes, and they can see us on the trails, too - what's your point?. Do you really think posting info such as this online has an effect? The trails mentioned in this thread are already patrolled regularly - as the rangers know mountain bikers ride them. What more are they going to do? Think about it from the rangers perspective - what could the information on this website possibly be used for?
I'm going to answer your questions in reverse. Yes, posting this info online has a bad effect. You don't know me; I'm just some guy on the internet. So ask someone you know in a local club, like ROMP or BTCEB, that's involved with access issues.

What can the info on this or any other website be used for? What is "the ranger's perspective"? The general rule of thumb is never write anything on a web site or in your e-mail you wouldn't say in front of a judge.

If a rider poaches a trail and is discrete, leaves no trace, is there a problem? Not really. But if rangers start seeing problems or getting complaints, they have to devote resources to dealing with the problem. Those resources being finite means that is time and money pulled away from other projects, perhaps ones involving improved access or needed maintenance, and so on.

Posting and discussing illegal rides also hurts legitimate access, as it fuels the perception that mountain bikers as a group aren't responsible, can't be trusted, and so. And even if the managers or rangers at a given park or open space aren't buying into that stereotype, you can be sure there will be some anti-bike activist who does buy into it, and shows up at a public hearing or politician's office with printed copies of the website or forum discussing the illegal rides.

Just speakin' for myself, I don't think there is a problem with shuttling, per se. Downhill skiers have been doing it for years to access slopes that are near roads but not lift served. But note in that case, these folks are shuttling runs that no one is likely to be hiking, riding or skiing up.

If folks are shuttling because they want to focus on their downhill skills, fine But if they are shuttling on a trail with other users, they need to be mindful of those other users. I think owning a downhill specific bike is like owning a high performance car. Just because I own it, doesn't mean the government is repsonsible for providing me with a place to drive 120 mph.
 

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Zonk0u said:
ok you ride your dh rig up diablo and see how much energy you have left to have fun on the ride down. :D
I've ridden most of the trails on a cross country bike and don't really see the need for long travel on the trails at diablo - the legal ones anyway. The fun trails have a very large penalty for failure and also loose material. One slip at speed, 10" won't help you land a 100' drop much.
 

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Dan'ger said:
I've ridden most of the trails on a cross country bike and don't really see the need for long travel on the trails at diablo - the legal ones anyway. The fun trails have a very large penalty for failure and also loose material. One slip at speed, 10" won't help you land a 100' drop much.
There's not necessarily a "need" for a DH bike on Diablo - sure - but tell me you wouldn't have fun watchin the sun set over a couple beers, followed by a buzzed DH down to Mudvilles. If you can honestly tell me you wouldn't have a fun time - than I make the following open offer:

You can drink my beer at the top, ride my Intense M1 to the bottom, and if you're still not having fun I'll buy the beer and vittles at mudvilles.

Whether you're riding XC, CX, BMX, DH or road - It's all about the LOL's.
 

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There's not necessarily a "need" for a DH bike on Diablo - sure - but tell me you wouldn't have fun watchin the sun set over a couple beers, followed by a buzzed DH down to Mudvilles. If you can honestly tell me you wouldn't have a fun time - than I make the following open offer:

You can drink my beer at the top, ride my Intense M1 to the bottom, and if you're still not having fun I'll buy the beer and vittles at mudvilles.

Whether you're riding XC, CX, BMX, DH or road - It's all about the LOL's.
If I had some skill on a big bike, I'd take you up on it. I'd certainly want to hone my skills before putting that on but I'd have an ethical quandry about poaching trails.

I'm also not big about riding "buzzed" although I do enjoy sharing a brew at the half-way with a small group. I'm not skilled enough to lose some before the ride begins - but I'm in on the Ed's Mudville afterwards.

You're certainly right about having fun...as long as it's not at the expense of someone else's fun.
 

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Ebo said:
Back Creek is a poach and probably one of the busiest trails on the weekend. Also the one that is monitored occasionly by Mr Ranger. It lets out by the Regency gate on the back side of Clayton.
yah a majority of those are poach, I've been outrunning mr ranger since I was 13 There are so many escape routes if you know the town it's not even funny.

That asside, the trail access isnt as crowded as you claim. I've been riding diablo for well over a decade and it's never been an issue before. Most of the trails I ride are poached, it doesnt really bother me, and the maybe 2 or so people I see the entire day dont seem to mind much either.
 

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Posting and discussing illegal rides also hurts legitimate access, as it fuels the perception that mountain bikers as a group aren't responsible, can't be trusted, and so.
... and it leads other people to poach the trail, and when poaching traffic increases it sucks for everyone. A couple people have posted gps tracks to a two of my favorite trails. Now someone's cut down a tree (illegally) with a chainsaw to reroute one trail and broke and cleared another tree, despite years of chainring gouges on it. I never cleaned that tree and never will now.

HarryCallahan said:
Just speakin' for myself, I don't think there is a problem with shuttling, per se. Downhill skiers have been doing it for years to access slopes that are near roads but not lift served.
If I had a 45 lb bike with a 40 tooth chainring, I'd still rather ride what I could and hike the rest, but I wouldn't hold it against someone else for wanting to shuttle. There's no excuse for shuttling a ski run though. Get a pair of skins or stick to the resorts. And don't posthole in my skin track! :)

-slide
 

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Hey I meet Dan'ger at Ed's before the ride up the hill. Try doing the climb buzzed.

It's at least a half hour drive up the hill, which means well over an hour round trip. So, you may as well do the 2 hour climb to the top. There are many good options on the way down. You could also head down the Walnut Creek side.
 

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ill use the "fight club" analogy

we know people do it but we dont talk about it here on MTBR. And its NOT just Diablo its everywhere in the BA.
 

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imridingmybike said:
There's not necessarily a "need" for a DH bike on Diablo - sure - but tell me you wouldn't have fun watchin the sun set over a couple beers, followed by a buzzed DH down to Mudvilles. If you can honestly tell me you wouldn't have a fun time - than I make the following open offer:

You can drink my beer at the top, ride my Intense M1 to the bottom, and if you're still not having fun I'll buy the beer and vittles at mudvilles.

Whether you're riding XC, CX, BMX, DH or road - It's all about the LOL's.
I'll take you up on that. How's Wednesday?
 
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