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yeah which one is better/lighter?
i might want to get new Brakes over the Magura MT6 that is on my Epic.
i have been using the bike from time to time and noticed same thing as my older avid´s on my carve pro i have to pump the brakes to build pressure sure it can be fixed by bleeding the brakes and buy new pads.
it does brake just fine but not instantly i want brakes tha when i pull the lever it brakes instantly these doesn´t and the handle goes way towards bottom before it brakes, on my avids i almost wnet off the road into a tree last year as there wasn´t enough pressure in the system i get the same feeling over these magura brakes.
So XX or XTR?
 

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I had nothing but trouble with my XX brakes two seasons ago. They required a bleed after nearly every ride. SRAM sent me two additional sets, all had the same problem after a few rides. I changed to XTRS with very few problems after. Maybe SRAM has fixed this issue with the newer models. To SRAMs credit, the credited my Lbs the cost of the brakes and the shop put on the XTRS at no charge to me. XTRS all the way in my opinion.
 

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Shimano brakes are the only way to go right now in my opinion. Flat out awesome.
 

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Just to confirm: you have MT-6s, you're aware that all the problems you're having can be fixed with a bleed, but you don't want to do that. Also, since this is a spec, I'm assuming you bought it from a shop, and that shop is incompetent to let a bike out the door in that condition.
In other words, what you have is a warranty case, someone will fix it for you for free if you ask them to.

So, between the shimano and avid choices, only an idiot would chose avid. It seems like even sram are just about admitting this since their just-announced brakes don't have the avid name any more and are blatant copies of shimano.
 

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XTR wins, hands-down. I had all years XX brakes(2009/10/11/12/13) and they simply cannot compare to the Shimanos. The XTR makes no noise, and has tons of power. Modulation is probably NOT as nice as the Avids - but that alone does not make it inferior.
 

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Well i´m leaning more and more towards the XTR´s my MT 6´s are not working as they should i have to pump up pressure each time i take the bike out and keep doing it to keep the pressure up
Sure i could bleed them but i have gotten replacement handles/master cylinder so they are as new but squeals like i don´t know what so that is one of many reasons i am thinking of XTR brakes as i do remember having M775 XT´s way back and they were really good then i have had HAYES,AVID (Carve pro) now Magura (epic carbon expert).
 

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I have ordered XTR M987´s i won´t get them for at least 4 weeks too bad could have sold my Maguras this very week. so here is my new question to those of you who know a bit of everything :) how much heavier will the new brakes be with ice tech 6 bolt rotors compared to the ones on the bike now? If anyone happens to know that is i have had some difficulties finding a solid weight for the XTR M987 caliper, lever/Cylinder
 

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Just to confirm: you have MT-6s, you're aware that all the problems you're having can be fixed with a bleed, but you don't want to do that. Also, since this is a spec, I'm assuming you bought it from a shop, and that shop is incompetent to let a bike out the door in that condition.
In other words, what you have is a warranty case, someone will fix it for you for free if you ask them to.

So, between the shimano and avid choices, only an idiot would chose avid. It seems like even sram are just about admitting this since their just-announced brakes don't have the avid name any more and are blatant copies of shimano.
Just to let you know you're a bit wrong this morning when i left for work and pulled the rear brake lever had no effect at all so i pumped the lever fast a few times and got enough pressure to get to work today, new levers/master cylinders has arrived but i´m off to Shimano and XTR brakes because when i want my bike to stop it better stop, i was once almost in a tree because the rear brake had no effect i barely missed the tree since this is the second brake system same issue, i am in no mood to almost stop or not at all, so i have a buyer for the MT6´s and hope they will do better for him than they did for me.

so it isn´t about bleeding it is due to faulty brakes that´s why Magura re called them and my Epic did unfortunately had faulty brakes ie no pressure and i have ridden it all Winter and when i read about the re call it all made sense why i had less and less pressure.
That´s why i´m buying Shimano
 

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so, why won't you go with the recall?
Seems like a waste of money if you will get the problem fixed for free by Magura.

People hate avids but i have not had bad experience with mine. Yes, maybe the lever movement is not as crisp as on the Shimanos but it works and I have strong brakes ever time i pull the lever. And this is on the Juicy Ultimate that people hated the most.

I like the fact that they are 100g lighter than any comparable price shimano system.
 

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There is just something nice about NOT wondering if you are actually going to have braking action when you pull the lever. :) I already have enough grey hair.
Shimano rules brakes at this point in time IMHO. Enjoy :)
 

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Yeah my point exactly the MT&´s might really good but i have had it with breaks not holding pressure, i don´t wanna come down a trail and notice i have no brake power that´s plain scary man had that once and as mentioned i was coming down the hill and and wanted to brake for the turn and had no rear brake that was scary.
So hopefully the XTR´s won´t disappoint me :D
i just can´t wait to get those breaks on and pedals then the Epic is as i want it to be pretty light and fast :)
 

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I want to buy a set of light brake system and I was thinking in XX but so far I read al kind of bad things. I can't believe is so freaking bad. For the last 3 years I been running stroker frm HAYES without any problem what's so ever. Apparently I have to stick to them if I want something bullet proof.



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Stay away from XX. You may get lucky and get a decent set that only require periodic bleeds or they can be your worst nightmare or some where in between.


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