[WoodstockMTB]

Went to Bike24 for another reason and saw this:

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=330715;menu=1000,2,16

Delivery Time 3-4 Weeks. IF the crank wasn't 175, I'd order it today.

Weights & pricing (Euro to Dollar) according to R2 Bike (Says Available in June)

Shifter: 120g $50
RD: 284g $95
10-51 Cassette: 470g (Kind of a pig) $135 (better than I expected give XTR pricing)
4 Pot Brakes: 270g per $285 pair
2 Pot Brake: 250g $210 pair
Crank, no Ring: 480g (Not bad) $130
Ring: 80g $55

Other than the cassette about what I expected.

Also SLX 7100 is out with 10-51 and 4 pot brakes.

 

[Dagonger]

Nice

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[the mayor]

Shimano made the announcement about the XT and SLX 12 speed stuff yesterday.
You will need a microspline hub for the cassette.( Shimano, DT and I9 are the only ones right now)
And I think bike24 has stopped shipping Shimano to the States?

 

[WoodstockMTB]

Shimano made the announcement about the XT and SLX 12 speed stuff yesterday.
You will need a microspline hub for the cassette.( Shimano, DT and I9 are the only ones right now)
And I think bike24 has stopped shipping Shimano to the States?

best as I can tell, Bike24 is still shipping ot the US...R2 is not.

 

[the mayor]

XT is supposed to be release June 14th in the US

 

[Harold]

I've gotta imagine that with the micro spline coming fast for XT and SLX, that Shimano had better have more OEM hub manufacturers on board with microspline soon. Companies like Formula and Novatec especially, since those are the sorts of hubs likely to appear on an SLX-equipped bike.

 

[Curveball]

Details here:

https://reviews.mtbr.com/shimano-xt-12-speed-launched

I'm a big XT fan and so this group looks very good to me.

 

[the mayor]

I've gotta imagine that with the micro spline coming fast for XT and SLX, that Shimano had better have more OEM hub manufacturers on board with microspline soon. Companies like Formula and Novatec especially, since those are the sorts of hubs likely to appear on an SLX-equipped bike.

Considering Shimano is behind the 8 ball with it's own micro spline standard hubs....yeah...I agree with you

 

[mfa81]

best as I can tell, Bike24 is still shipping ot the US...R2 is not.

who's R2?

 

[WoodstockMTB]

who's R2?

https://r2-bike.com

Was a great place to get both SRAM and Shimano for a long time until they were told to stop shipping.

Still good prices on a lot of things, but you have to factor in shipping and CC fees. In the past it still saved a TON when ordering a good amount of parts.

 

[smoothmoose]

After test riding the 12sp XTR (buttery smooth), I'm intrigued about 12sp XT - especially compared to SRAM GX Eagle.

The Microspline is a major bummer though. It'll be interesting to see when more 3rd party 12sp cassettes start popping in the market. Even though SRAM XD has been out for awhile, there's basically no 3rd party options.

 

[Twilight70]

https://r2-bike.com

Was a great place to get both SRAM and Shimano for a long time until they were told to stop shipping.

Still good prices on a lot of things, but you have to factor in shipping and CC fees. In the past it still saved a TON when ordering a good amount of parts.

Bike24.com is still shipping, and generally has better prices
Bummer I can't find an I9 micro spline driver on their site.

 

[Harold]

Bummer I can't find an I9 micro spline driver on their site.

Why would you look there for it? Buy it from I9.

 

[Harold]

After test riding the 12sp XTR (buttery smooth), I'm intrigued about 12sp XT - especially compared to SRAM GX Eagle.

The Microspline is a major bummer though. It'll be interesting to see when more 3rd party 12sp cassettes start popping in the market. Even though SRAM XD has been out for awhile, there's basically no 3rd party options.

nah, micro spline isn't a bummer of any sort, imo. It's basically a re-release of (a slightly modified) Capreo, which Shimano had a long time ago that allowed 9t cogs.

I'll be curious to see what happens on the 3rd party market. Less so of cassette manufacturers using micro spline and moreso about what those manufacturers do about hyperglide+. It DOES improve shift quality and that alone is a solid reason to buy a Shimano cassette. And with MSRP of the SLX version at $100, there's some price incentive for riders.

That's incorrect that there are "basically no 3rd party options" for cassettes with SRAM xD. e13 is a major 3rd party cassette option. Whether you like them or not, it's what actually comes equipped on some bikes on sales floors. Commonly paired with Shimano 11spd bits, but also in other ways. There are others, though I agree that they all seem to be fairly high priced options. Apparently Sunrace has some xd driver-compatible cassettes in the pipeline, but I don't see them for sale yet, so I am not sure what pricing will look like.
https://bikerumor.com/2018/11/06/su...tweight-10-52-cassettes-complete-1x12-groups/

Still, I think it's going to be awhile before we see lower priced cassettes using xd or micro spline. Honestly, that slx cassette at $100 for the range, I think, will be the best deal out there. NX Eagle costs the same, but is 11-50 and HG freehub body only. I do think that it'll be easier for cassette manufacturers to produce less expensive micro spline cassettes (with a weight penalty and possibly a shift quality penalty) than xD. It's just a less complicated interface.

 

[uzurpator]

Looking at it - its a major bummer that 10-45 and 10-51 cassettes differ just by four largest cogs.

what we get:

10-51 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-46-51
10-45 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-40-45

Yet long time ago, at the times of 9 speed 11-32 and 11-34 were completely different:

11-34 - 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34
11-32 - 11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32

Note that with the exception of 11, one cassette has all the cogs between the sizes of the other. By the same rule at 12 speed:

10-51 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-46-51
10-45 - 10-11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34-39-45

 

[Harold]

Looking at it - its a major bummer that 10-45 and 10-51 cassettes differ just by four largest cogs.

what we get:

10-51 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-46-51
10-45 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-40-45

Yet long time ago, at the times of 9 speed 11-32 and 11-34 were completely different:

11-34 - 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34
11-32 - 11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32

Note that with the exception of 11, one cassette has all the cogs between the sizes of the other. By the same rule at 12 speed:

10-51 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-46-51
10-45 - 10-11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34-39-45

I don't see an ACTUAL problem. Just whining.

 

[the mayor]

I don't see an ACTUAL problem. Just whining.

Don't taunt him.
He will post a video of him whining about a product he hasn't actually seen or used.

 

[David R]

Looking at it - its a major bummer that 10-45 and 10-51 cassettes differ just by four largest cogs.

what we get:

10-51 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-46-51
10-45 - 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-40-45

Thanks, I've been looking for those numbers all morning! I agree completely, the 18-21t jump in the middle of nearly every cassette has me considering going back to my old 11sp XT 11-42! I get that they've done what they've done for the sake of production efficiency, but it is a little disappointing that the closer ratios don't trickle down to the mid-range of the cassette where, IMO, you need them more than the top couple of cogs.

 

[Harold]

Thanks, I've been looking for those numbers all morning! I agree completely, the 18-21t jump in the middle of nearly every cassette has me considering going back to my old 11sp XT 11-42! I get that they've done what they've done for the sake of production efficiency, but it is a little disappointing that the closer ratios don't trickle down to the mid-range of the cassette where, IMO, you need them more than the top couple of cogs.

I've got over 130mi on a 10-45 cassette and the spacing between the cogs feels nice and smooth.

 

[David R]

No doubt it does. I'm currently running an 11-46 Sunrace on my hardtail and a 10-42 SRAM on my fs, both have the same 18-21t jump and it isn't a huge deal. There does seems to be a couple of trails around here where that gap just hits the spot either side of where I need to be though, where as the old XT 11-42 with 17-19-21t felt more evenly spaced. Just a minor niggle, but for my money having a bigger gap between the top two cogs isn't such a big deal as you're (well I am anyway) usually only going for that top cog out of desperation when getting close to maxed out on a climb. Where as the mid-range is where I find I'm wanting smaller more even steps between gears when, for example, you're getting tired at the end of the ride but you've got 5km of flat gravel into a headwind to get back to the carpark and one gear feels too hard but the next one feels too easy.