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Hey all. I'm currently on a small Bottlerocket that I've been riding for almost 2 seasons as my "do-it-all". I love how this bike handles (low standover, slacker head angle, low bottom bracket) everything I throw at it. But lately, I haven't been too keen on climbing performance. Also, it's not as plush as I'd like it to be (equiped with 36 Talas RC2 and Marzocchi Roco TST).

I'm pretty fit and have no problems climbing on big rides (wouldn't be possible without the Talas or TST). But I feel there's always something better for a majority of rides I do and the Wildcard seems to be the next best option over the Bottlerocket.

Now I've also considered the Rune, but looking at the Wildcard's geometry (almost identical to the Bottlerocket) and adjustable travel, I feel it's a better fit, not to mention, it's a pound lighter.

So here are my main questions: How does the the 4-bar suspension handle on climbs? How often would I find myself using the 5" travel option? In terms of plushness, how's the small bump compliance compared to the Bottlerocket?

Thanks for the input.
 

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I know a couple of guys that have switched from a BR to a Wildcard and they both really like them, this being said they both lean to the dirtjumper side of things and run their suspension really stiff, so I can't say that they are 'plusher' than the BR's. They both say that they are torsionally stiffer and more 'snappy' feeling though.
Like the BR (and Kona, and last years Turners) they are not a true 4 bar, more like a single pivot with a shock linkage as they lack a pivot on the chainstay near the dropout.
Quite often the choice of rear shock has an influence on plushness too.
 

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That's it?! Buy one. You'll like it? Sound's like a bad pitch to me. ;)

I want to hear reviews like how this bike has changed your life for the better. Or, since you bought a Wildcard, you now ride the like the mythical unicorn from Gnarnia. :D

What about the fact that Banshee utilizes the available frame technology and makes it better?

Maybe I should get an Intense SS instead..... :confused: :rolleyes:
 

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I had E.D. before I looked at my neighbor's Wildcard, so now every time I see him (with the bike), I'm standing at full attention.

But seriously, my neighbor and his wife are both on Banshees, one being a newer wildcard with that slopestylish frame and a 07 66. I wish I can tell you more about the ride, although I will say it's a hot bike and he seems to enjoy it a lot over his previous Wildcard.

I spoke to Jay at EB at length about the pivots, among other things, and they seem to be pretty well thought out, even giving Turner credit for the main design, though Banshee has some differences.

Anyhow, Banshee seems like a really cool company and I'd like to read more thoughts on them.
 

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Jerk_Chicken said:
he seems to enjoy it a lot over his previous Wildcard.

I spoke to Jay at EB at length about the pivots, among other things, and they seem to be pretty well thought out, even giving Turner credit for the main design, though Banshee has some differences.
First part confuses me a bit, as the wildcard was only realeased this year, and there has only been one model... unless he had 2 different frme sizes? or was it just a typo, and you meant to say previous banshee?

second point seems to be about using bushings instead of breaings in pivots, but I should point out that the wildcard uses full complement bearings, and not the new bushing system that is used in the rune and rampant.

I will give you my opinion on the wildcard, but you have to realise that I am totally biased since I designed it.

I really enjoy riding my wildcard on all types of terrain. I ride it in th 5" travel setting all the time (I prefer te slacker geometry and lower BB). I have ridden it on tech DH tracks (like all of the double black diamond garbonzo whistler trails) with friends who were on full on DH rigs (V10's and Giant glorys etc) and I kept up with them just fine. I have also ridden a lot of more smooth floy jumpy trails, and full on double lines, and it is great on these!

I am not a person who plays with the suspensions settings all the time, I set it up so that it feels good, then i forget about it, so have ridden all the above with the same suspension feel.

I have also hit some pretty big drops and gaps on the bike think 18'x20' is probably the biggest, and it felt great.

The travel is very progressive, and combined with the slightly rearward axle path, the suspension feels supple enough on fast DH, but also ramps up a lot so never really bottoms out except for on really big hits (like when I case something badly). I'm not going to try and claim that the suspension will feel as plush as a full on 8" travel DH rig, but it does the job well, and feels very lively at the same time. its more fun to ride than a big travel bike.

I have ridden a bottle rocket... but do not want to compare them directly, as I don't think this i fair due to my position. Needless to say I much prefer the wildcard... but I would.

In terms of manufacturing technology...
The wildcard uses tripple butted custom hydroformed 7005 T6 tubing. (also all CNC parts etc are also 7005 T6, except the rockers which are 7075 T6)
The seatstays and chainstays are internaly ribbed for extra stiffness and strength.
The linkage was optimally designed to suit trail riding, and taking big hits (basically it is highly progressive, and the axle path is slightly rearward on the whole)

any more questions, then just ask.

Keith
 

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Thanks Keith. :thumbsup: That's just the description I was looking for (in a nutshell).

I was just reading about reach and stack measurements as more effective way for measuring a bike. What are we looking at for a small Wildcard?
 

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I don´t want to say much about the Bottlerocket, because a parkinglot-test doesn´t say very much!

Here are my short thoughts about the Wildcard:
The Wildcard is very pedalfriendly and offeres fast-forward acceleration! I haven´t experienced any bobbing or pedalkickback as my Propedal is completely switched off. The whole bike, especially the rear feels super stiff - just some pedalstrokes and you´ve speed up!
As Keith mentioned, the suspension is very progressive, but can set up very smooth depending on the shock-settings!
In the 5" mode the travel can be nicely plush on the small bumps and has a high progression at the end of the travel to prevent bottoming out.
In the 6,5" mode the whole travel feels more linear, slightly plusher at the beginning and not as progressive at the end. I run mine as plush as possible in both travelsettings - the only thing I change is a few more clicks Highspeed-compression when in the 6,5".
All I can say is that in both settings the travel is used very effective, of course not as plush as a 8" Big Bike, but feels very lively while smoothening out big hits and giving good feedback of what´s going on underneath you! I often switch between the travel because in combination with a adjustable fork I have a lot of sensefull options! :thumbsup:

I think the Wildcard is no mountain-goat, but is a very very good climber! It´s the combination of the pedalfriendly suspension and the geometry, which has a steep seattubeangle combined with a slightly longer toptube. Your position when seated is more centered in and over the bike, which gives pedalling a lot of power and more control over the front, especially when the climbs get steep! Let´s say I find myself on a lot more Uphills than I´m used to on my further bikes. ;)

Greetings from Cologne, Germany
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How about instead of asking people to sell you on it...you go take one for a test ride and if you like it...buy it. Bikes are so subjective, everyone thinks the bike they ride now kicks other bikes asses..because they just shelled out a ton of coin for it....personally I owned a few Transitions and loved them but the engineering (cost cutting...I dunno) behind some of the new bikes I am not a fan of....so my next bike is going to be a Rune because I know Keith and the boys knows their ****...they are fairly local for me and it's a sexy bike. I have friends on wildcards and love them...awesome little bikes IMO.
 

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Test ride?

WTF are those? :rolleyes: Buying bikes is all about the hype! ;)

builttoride said:
Ok small wildcard:
Reach = 378mm
Stack = 577mm
Thanks Keith.
 

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How about instead of asking people to sell you on it...you go take one for a test ride and if you like it...buy it. Bikes are so subjective, everyone thinks the bike they ride now kicks other bikes asses..because they just shelled out a ton of coin for it....personally I owned a few Transitions and loved them but the engineering (cost cutting...I dunno) behind some of the new bikes I am not a fan of....so my next bike is going to be a Rune because I know Keith and the boys knows their ****...they are fairly local for me and it's a sexy bike. I have friends on wildcards and love them...awesome little bikes IMO.
have you bought the darn thing yet? or are you waiting for an '09?
 
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