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I'm getting a scott scale frame .I want to set it up for 06 cross country racing .I have race this past year with a sugar 2+. great bike but, I want to go back to a light hard tail bike.I race in new england.I need suggestion on what to use .I know I want v break in front, disk in the rear.I'm try to keep it around 18lb. also just 2 ring in front .so guys help me out from top to bottom thanks
 

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I'm getting a scott scale frame .I want to set it up for 06 cross country racing .I have race this past year with a sugar 2+. great bike but, I want to go back to a light hard tail bike.I race in new england.I need suggestion on what to use .I know I want v break in front, disk in the rear.I'm try to keep it around 18lb. also just 2 ring in front .so guys help me out from top to bottom thanks
Spend some time on the weight weenies forum here and the weight weenie forum at starbike.weightweenies.com. Sort through enough posts and you'll find more than enough suggestions for parts.

Are you sure you want a V brake up front? Don't you have wet conditions a large part of the year? If anything a lot of people go disc in front/ V in the rear.
 

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Which scale frame are you getting? I almost bought a Scale 50 recently but decided against it because I will be riding more for enjoyment than racing. I really like the scale design though and they are very nice riding bikes.
 

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Which scale frame are you getting? I almost bought a Scale 50 recently but decided against it because I will be riding more for enjoyment than racing. I really like the scale design though and they are very nice riding bikes.
getting a scale frame carbon fiber .the # 10/20 /30 are the same frame but different component. 40/50 is a composite frame a bit heavier but same design
 

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the question is, HOW MUCH CASH? critical...
having a stand-alone scale frame and throwing aftermarket parts on it means spending a lot. the frame you chose, is it alloy or carbon? keeping the weight around 18lbs means definately having a carbon frame and most of the parts also in carbon. expensive project. have u considered the Scale Limited? that bike is all about weight saving. if u don't like it as a set, u can just put on it the XTR V-brakes and the FSA carbon crankset (http://www.fullspeedahead.com/fly.aspx?layout=product&taxid=52). that surely makes 17-18.5 lbs. think about it..... :)
 

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alexisfubar said:
the question is, HOW MUCH CASH? critical...
having a stand-alone scale frame and throwing aftermarket parts on it means spending a lot. the frame you chose, is it alloy or carbon? keeping the weight around 18lbs means definately having a carbon frame and most of the parts also in carbon. expensive project. have u considered the Scale Limited? that bike is all about weight saving. if u don't like it as a set, u can just put on it the XTR V-brakes and the FSA carbon crankset (http://www.fullspeedahead.com/fly.aspx?layout=product&taxid=52). that surely makes 17-18.5 lbs. think about it..... :)
the frame I'm getting is the scale limited, as far as building it ,I would like it close to 18 lb but it's not critical if it is a 1 lb over,I need more reliable part than saving weight and ending up breaking down.I will put v brakes on it ,as far as crank,and other part I will welcome any suggestion, especialy with the rim ,and tire (I'm partial to maxxis and michelin ) thank you
 

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the frame I'm getting is the scale limited, as far as building it ,I would like it close to 18 lb but it's not critical if it is a 1 lb over,I need more reliable part than saving weight and ending up breaking down.I will put v brakes on it ,as far as crank,and other part I will welcome any suggestion, especialy with the rim ,and tire (I'm partial to maxxis and michelin ) thank you
well, only rims considered, Mavic XC717 (420gr), Sun Ringle Mach IV (405gr). As for wheelsets the Mavic Crossmax SL (650gr front, 820gr rear) and the Sun Ringle Black Flag (570gr front, 720gr rear). Really strong, light and well built all of them, but expensive. Now for tires i use the Michelin XLS. good,strong and tons of grip! for peripherals a full Ritchey WCS carbon setup would be ideal, but strictly for XC use. there is also the Race Face Next setup in carbon, which has lifetime guarantee...personally, i'm terrified of the idea of going like hell and suddenly having a broken bar..! anyway, for XC use only, i suppose it would have a great result
 

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Giant XTC composite build

Just to give you some ideas for lightweight components and what they build up into:







The total weight with bottle cage (carbon, not pictured) is 19.7 pounds. I swapped out a few more parts and cut down the brake cable lines after this picture was taken.

Some light components to consider:

Magura Marta / Hope Mono Mini disc brakes (V-Brakes are history)
Stan's Wheelset laced to Tune disc hubs
Kenda Karma tires, run tubeless with Stan's rims and sealant
FSA K-Force Megaexo crank, 32-44 chainrings
XTR Front Derailleur
SRAM X.0 Gripshift and rear derailleur (med cage works great for a 2x9 setup)
Nokon shift housing, SRAM teflon cables
Eggbeater Ti pedals w/ Short Ti spindle upgrage (cheaper and lighter than triple ti)
Foam grips (titec pork rinds, bontrager x-lite , ritchey WCS)
SRAM PG-991 cassette (try XTR 11-34 to save 50g)
SRAM PG-991 hollowpin chain
Easton EC90 caron components (seatpost, handlebars)
Ritchey WCS stem
USE ringo star top cap

That's pretty much my build. Definatly go with Stan's rims and Tune or Am Classic hubs, you will save a TON of weight over any other disc wheels by using this build (my wheels weighted 1380g with yellow spoke tape and UST vavle stems).
 

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Kenda Karma are tires for asphalt, not XC racing. first race i entered on them, i tore them apart in 2 laps! and by all means, NO UST! heavy and they lack "feel". about forks.. Rockshox SID World Cup (Weight: 1310g / 2.90 lb, carbon crown, fully adjustable)? btw, that XTC above is reeeaaaaally sweet...! beautiful bike
 

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Kenda Karma are tires for asphalt, not XC racing. first race i entered on them, i tore them apart in 2 laps! and by all means, NO UST! heavy and they lack "feel". about forks.. Rockshox SID World Cup (Weight: 1310g / 2.90 lb, carbon crown, fully adjustable)? btw, that XTC above is reeeaaaaally sweet...! beautiful bike
I strongly disagree with the Kenda Karma tires. Did you run them with tubeless with Stan's sealant? Where did you race the tires?

I used them all season long in the midwest and absolutely LOVED them. I had ZERO flats ALL season long. I was EXTREMELY impressed at how well these tires cornered on hardpack, and how well they climbed despite the lowish-looking knobs on them. Their air volume is supurb for a 2.0 tire at 460g (looks like a 2.2), and the tire is very durable thanks to the DTC hard rubber compound in the center, and the soft compound rubber on the side knobs. And, of course, these puppies roll smooth and very fast...

I have several friends that rac with me who I convinced to change to the Karma last season. Needless to say, no one has switched tires yet, and no one has gotten a flat (all run tubeless with Stan's).

It all depends on the conditions of the trails where you live, but in the midwest the Karma is the racing king for Kenda tires. From Maxxis, I'm eager to try the Crossmark for 2006 with Stans:
 

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I have always used Hutchinson Python Airlights for any and all XC biking. Never had a problem, though cornering can be a bit rough. Ive had them for over a year, and used them at least a couple hundred times during that time span and the tread is still nice and strong. Again, the only problem is if you underinflate or overinflate them a little bit too much either way, they corner poorly. Ive actually used them at full psi in my tubes, and they did well

They also have the new versions out (Hutchinson Python Airlight NEW) and they seem nice, I will be getting a set soon.

Oh and, nice XTC!
 

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Fast

Unfortunately the XTC got a bit dirty today on the wintry Packer-Land roads here in WI...

But she's still fast as sh*t even when slathered in mud and salt!
 

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alexisfubar said:
Kenda Karma are tires for asphalt, not XC racing. first race i entered on them, i tore them apart in 2 laps! and by all means, NO UST! heavy and they lack "feel". about forks.. Rockshox SID World Cup (Weight: 1310g / 2.90 lb, carbon crown, fully adjustable)? btw, that XTC above is reeeaaaaally sweet...! beautiful bike
I also strongly disagree with this statement- I have been using Kenda Karma DTC's for well over 6 months on some very rocky technical courses and they have been the best tyre I have used. They grip really well, and hold up pretty good in my opinion. I run the Tubeless- on UST rims with sealent.

Check out Nino's bike on light-bikes.com for ideas of a lightweight build:
http://www.light-bikes.com/bikegallery/BikeListing.asp?id=774
 

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Agree. Karmas are some of the best for hardpack and such from all the tires I've raced(I have 90+ raceish tires)imho. Suck in mud. Better rear then front. In service (rear only) on all 3 current mtbs including a sub 19lb XTC. Best 'volumn to weight' going(450gms with almost the same volumn as Python ALs).

Not a fan of any Sid. For the best weight/performance you can't beat the Noleen Mega Air. 3lbs even(most (Sids are 3lbs+ since the claimed weights are before oil), 32mm x 100mm sanctions, stiff and nice plush travel. Cheap when they were avail a year or so ago. No longer avail except Ebay or such. Bummer.
 
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