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Back to my dumb question... I was always under the assumption that ALL homegrowns were Carbon Fiber. I know that other weird '99 design was carbon but I thought yours was too TahoeBC.

So that eliminates some drama. Right now my bust guess is that they infact DID make a design change in the bushings. We both have aluminum frames yet we are getting different measurements.

Based on the flange thickness alone I think these new bushings I have might fit my bike but not yours. Why? Could be cause my bike is a foreign made and yours (homegrown) is made in usa. Metric vs English? Could be. But you bought english bushings from McMaster and still had slop, but jomamad said they worked for him. So that means a design change?

jomamad... is your bike a homegrown or s-series? That will help.
 

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TahoeBC... the pics on Freddys page of the tube and bearings... I can alost tell by looking at that photo that the flange on those have to be 1/8 or larger... which they will work for you! If I hold mine at that angle they appear thinner.

I wanted to ask this also if anyone knows for sure: With this frame, what is the difference between the Homegrown and an S-Series? Is it only where they are made? One is not any lighter than the other? They should be dinensionally the same otherwise.

Freddy... if you can find that drawing we can compare it to the dimensions I took of these new ones I found. That would be auesome!

Botton line is I need to take my bike apart... but I want to wait till its too cold to ride. My pin is very tight, as others confirm in that first link. It will be difficult for me cause i already beat on it a little bit and it didnt budge at all. That was even with another person helping me by spreading both clamps with screwdrivers.
 

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The pictures on his website look just like mine.


Here is a pic of my bike I grabed from the Schwinn website soon after I bought the bike, looked exactly like this.
 

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If I have the bushings I'm thinking of they were thinner. I rememeber when I called Pacific for the parts they had 2 listed so I bought both figuring one of the 2 would work for me. And yes the flanges were different thickness and the outside diameter of the press in busing was slightly different also I think.... but the flange thickness was defintely different. I want to say my was a 98 model. The fullsuspensions like this started in 1996 - but sis not have the oversized pivot. The 97 was the first year for the aluminum sweetspot as we know it. I believe the 99 models added the carbon front triangles.... but the aluminums were still available. The S series and the Homegrowns were the same essential bike except for minor tubing, disc brake tabs, etc.... varied year to year. I actually bought a 99 S30 carbon swapped rear triangles just so I could get disc brakes. The pivot point was exactly the same on each bike. The rear triangle from the S series - the S series was 6 ounce heavier... had disc brake mounts (Hayes specific chainstay mount)... and on the rear droupouts (I know for sure on the drive side) the Homegrowns have tomatos on there and the S series have a Schwinn "S" on them. But other than minor changes (the S series being the beefier of the 2) the S series and the Homegrown series are the same beast.

Where was I going with this..... I'm forgetting....lol

Oh yeah - the bushings I beileve are 2 types... the pivot tubes all the same. Not sure on which models - or what year the bushing change was made - never had enough people around to get a concensus...

Hope this helps some...
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I just saved that pic (of Freddys bushings) to my hardrive, you can open it much bigger. I just noticed by doing that I now see the grooves cut into them. I am almost cetain Freddy and you have the same size bushings. The new blue ones I found have NO grooves in them.

Me on the otherhand, have thinner wall on both my OEM bushings and these new blue ones I bought. The color is different though.

Im getting more confident that the ones I bought will work for me. I so much hope this is so. Cause I would have 2 new sets then. Im thinking my only unknow is the bushing OD that fits in the frame and I need to disassemble to check that...
 

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Thanks for the history lesson Fast Freddy!

My rear droupouts have tomatos on them.

RosterFXP, if you decide to ride that bike for awhile, consider upgrading the shock to a air shock. After my Rock Shock Delux started leaking, I upgraded to a Cane Creek air shock, what a difference that made, also it was much lighter!

PS, you might want to contact this Ebay seller just to ask about his bushings, if nothing else, color, etc.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SCHWINN-S-30-26-BIKE-ALUMINUM-SHIMANO-SUSPENSION_W0QQitemZ330036458519QQihZ014QQcategoryZ98083QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

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I just put a 2005 Marzocchi MX Pro ETA front fork on her, damn fine porn star she is now. The rear I recently swapped for a Coupe Deluxe (same but with rebound) I found it on ebay for $24. I like it much better.

My Deluxe shock never leaked authough it did start sounding like it had a little air in it. I ran a 550 pound spring on it cause I was a tiny squirt back then. But putting on the 120mm front fork it put just a tad bit more weight on the rear (decreased head angle), plus I weigh more now. BUT the new Coupe Deluxe came with an 800 pound spring and it solved that problem.

I am interested in knowing what rear shocks I have to choose from. I would want something nice but have no experience with air, other than my new front fork that has air on one side.

BTW I love this front fork... if I can get the rear to behave the same I will go nuts. Love all this conversation about this fine piece of history. If I had to buy a new bike now, I wouldnt have a clue what to get.
 

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I had my LBS back when it was still around order mine, I think an AD-10, rebuilt it once with a $10 rebuild kit from Cane creek. Even after like 4 years of sitting around it still holds air like a champ! It was pretty amazing to hold both shocks, the coil over one weighed like twice as much!

http://archive.mtbr.com/12/0EE93FF3.php
 

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That S-30 on Ebay, already mailed the guy hes a powerseller basically knows nothing. Told him that bike is worthless and once the bearings go out your screwed lol. I offered him $200 for it tho, his price is too high.

I found an AD-10 on Ebay but it needs rebuilt. What kind of controls does it have? Compression and rebound?

Im gonna send you a PM about something off subject too.
 

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I do not recall exactly, there were a couple adjustments that could be made, but I have not changed anything in many years so I forget. The rebuild was pretty easy BTW.

Here is a link to the manual
http://www.canecreek.com/fileadmin/canecreek/products/shocks/man_shocks/AD10_instructions.pdf#search=%22cane%20creek%20ad-10%20manual%22

Just be sure you get the eye to eye length right, they come in different sizes, there might be other considerations also?

I think the Cloud Nine is a better shock, they had a program going for awhile to upgrade the ad-10 to Cloud nine's for a pretty good discount.
 

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Talking rear shock...

If you notice when you take off the rear shock this pivot allows you to pull up the rear to almost endless rotation. Making it appear that you can put any length rear shock on it. What you think? With a longer front fork decreasing my head angle, lifting the rear would get me back to stock... almost like a lift kit lol... btw, the new fork didnt make much difference in handling, my LBS had me paranoid about sluggish steering but I BARELY notice a difference.

So if I could go a half inch longer on the rear shock I would consider it... trying to figure out that geometry in my head... and im a machine designer lol, I could whip up a quick 3D model to make sure it would even be doable but I dont have the time. Bushings are #1 priority right now it seems.

I hope Freddy can hook you up, Im from St. Louis so if you ever drive thru with the bike lets go ride the **** outta these bad boys!
 

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I dunno, seems like you'd mess up the geometry to me, but if you can find some cheap used shocks to play with, might be fun to try out!
 

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Rooster, if that is you bidding on the black schwinn homegrown front triangle on e-bay, FWY that is aluminum. Carbon fiber is not welded together (welds are clearly visible in pics) and the carbon fiber Schwinn homegrown front monocoque frames look completely different (not tubular), they look like boomerangs. The '99 S-10,S-20, S-30 are the carbon fiber Sweetspots, the S-40 like mine is the "low end" 6061 aluminum framed iteration, it was however made by yeti in Colorado or a company called Annodizing inc. in the U.S.A. as were all of the "Homegrowns". There are '96 S-9 sixes that are aluminum but have drastically different pivots and rear triangles. My Homegrown has tomatoes on the dropouts and the rear chainstay disk mount.
 

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Disc Brake Swap?

Fast Freddy said:
the S series was 6 ounce heavier... had disc brake mounts (Hayes specific chainstay mount)
First off, let me state that I am enjoying this thread immensely! I recently came into an S-20 that is the twin of the orange one above and love it to the point that my brand new Avalanche 1.0 is going up for sale. The one thing I am loathe to give up is disc brakes (Hayes hydraulic on the 1.0 ruined me forever) so finding Fast Freddy's post was heartening. I would happily do a rear triangle swap if someone could enlighten me as to which years and models would allow addition of rear discs, if any. Thanks in advance for your wisdom, all. :thumbsup:
 

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jomamad, ya that was me bigging on that but only cause i figued if i had a homegrown and a foreign made one that these pivot bearings i have would have to fit one of them. I was only willing to pay the dollar for it lol, i hope whoever bought it reialized it was an incomplete frame lol

im just going to have to break down and disassemble by bike to know for sure... maybe this weekend

i finally have a grasp of the frame materials/years... but cant help the other guy here about what years have disc or not...

i honeslty love vbrakes myself
 

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I would happily do a rear triangle swap if someone could enlighten me as to which years and models would allow addition of rear discs, if any. :thumbsup:
I believe the disc brake mounts started in 1999 - as the Hayes specific chain stay mount. I'm not sure if and when they switched over from that point to a 51MM IS mount on the top of the seat stay (like most brakes today).

I had to buy a 99 S30 Carbon (because thats all I could find at the time) to swap rear ends.

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I haven't forgotten about you guys... the box of parts was not where I thought it was... which suprised me... as it was a pretty big box... oh well when it turns up I'll post...

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Finally...

I found some new old stock!

I bought several pair of them... all he had but its enough to get several bikes back on the trail.

I will put some up on ebay to try and recoup some cost... first auction #130200618407
 

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Hi do you have any more of these bushings left?? I am building up a Homegrown sweet spot frame. It will include a Rohloff hub, gravity dropper seatpost, a Monitou Minute IT with remote, and a Cane Creek Cloud nine. Should be a cool ride. Cheers
 
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