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This is an information thread, being as its hard to find info on these tires here in the US for DH purposes.
They apparently have FR, Enduro, All MTN and XC locked up with some pretty great tires and now they are working harder on the DH line in the last year or so!

Apparently via the internet (not sure on reliability yet) theres a new DH tire coming soon!

Now I only have a short period of time on the Muddy Mary and in like conditions loose over hard they performed better than my maxxis minion DHF 3cs did at the park (corners, berms). I have rode them in wet/mud and dry pack dirt so far and im impressed! But then thats not alot of exeprience under my belt with them.
I like Maxxis so this is not a hater thread!!!!!!!!!
I dont have extensive riding on different terain, weather, snow, rocks, roots yet. I will start riding them next week when the order comes in and we'll see how the perform! I am not easy on tires or rims and with my weight and point and shoot style I will work them out! Someday Ill learn to finess! LMAO :D:D:D

I will have more info as soon as the German side of things are back in the office next week. Jeff at Schwalbe North America in Canada was nice enough to supply me this info as well as a basic of the durometers of the rubber. I should have more info regarding the duro and reason behind it.

Plus they look [email protected] good!


heres another schwalbe rider and friend of mine bobby root. jump is over 75' lip to lip


Heres Saturnines bike: Another damn sexy machine blessed with the muddy marys :thumbsup: :D

Gooey Gluey: 52 Durometer
Triple Compound: 52 sides 60 center ? something else (sorry dont have the info yet on the triple!

Pictures and descriptions oftechnology relating to mainly the DH/FR stuff:

Black Shark Mud:
For competition in deep mud conditions. Small, high lugs and a sturdy rubber compound provide outstanding grip on soft ground. In the narrow version less dirt can accumulate, so the weight of the rotary mass remains small - a clear advantage in races. Size 26 x 2.25 (57-559) with a Double Casing is suitable for Freeride and Downhill competition.


Muddy Mary: - These are available UST, FR folding and DH casings
The aggressive intermediate profile grips firmly on any terrain. The SnakeSkin sidewall saves weight without losing stability, while our Triple Compound gives Muddy Mary the optimal combination of easy rolling, durability and cornering grip. The extremely 'sticky' competition compound, Gooey Gluey, has for the first time been paired with a flexible underbody that achieves an acceptable rolling resistance.


Big Betty: - UST, FR folding and DH casings
Just Freeride, no cosmetics. The large volume and HEAVY DUTY features make BIG BETTY really tough. The tread is optimized for braking performance and steering. Even so these qualities do not make it too heavy for uphill. Betty can also have a soft side - with super-soft Gooey Gluey Compound.


Information provided by Schwalbe NA today via email!

Triple Nano Compound.
A completely revised nano-sized polymer
base and fillers has made our triple compound even better.
The filler particles that were formerly 200 nanometers in size now
measure a mere 10 nanometers, or 0.00000001 M. This reduction
has two crucial advantages: 1. The internal friction within the
rubber is reduced, lowering rolling resistance. 2. More, smaller
particles have much more surface area than few larger ones
meaning the contact area is greater that results in improved grip.
Result: An outstanding all-round compound that we use it in the
tread center. Beneath this lies the base compound that is light
and easy rolling, while the tire shoulders have the now legendary
grippy compound.

SnakeSkin
Light and flexible fabric layer on the side wall.
Makes tires almost impervious to sidewall
defects. One of our most effective inventions for Mountainbikes.
SnakeSkin fabric adds only ca. 40-50 g per tire. This makes it the
most practical protection against sharp rocks that can easily cut the
side wall of light racing tires. SnakeSkin - in rocky terrain it is a great
call!

U-Blocks
Shoulder lugs with a half-open design.
Arranged in a way that defies logic - it looks
so different to a conventional arrangement
because it is completely opposite! But UBlocks
'lift' themselves up during cornering
and so counter the tendency of the tire to step
out in curves. During inclined cornering when
the tire shoulder is fully loaded it has un -
mistakably more control. The surprising effect:
Less under steer, more stability - "controlled"
cornering!

EVO-Carcass
Steeper angle of carcass threads. It provides
the essential structure of the tire, increasing
flexibility and reducing rolling resistance.
Much more difficult and complex to make
than a regular carcass.

Limited Slip Technology (L.S.T.)
The tire bead has a special rubber layer, which
clearly reduces tire slip on the rim. This danger
is particularly exacerbated during violent braking
(in extreme cases causing valve tear off).
Our tires stick - to the ground and the rim!

Freeride Version (On Muddy Mary / Big Betty):
Freeride uses: Snakeskin, Snake Bite, Triple Nano or Gooey Gluey Compound and Limited Slip Technology (LST).

Gooey Gluey.
Best control on stony ground and wet
conditions from the super-grippy Gooey-Gluey
compound.

Downhill:
The extra-strong Downhill version. It has all
of the Freeride features plus a double carcass
and particularly strong Snake Bite protection.
It all adds up to more stability at the lowest
pressure.

Didnt get any action pics but the ride up was 2600'+ and the ride down was muddy/snow/ICE/wet grass/cow poo and some fast single track with alot of rocks and doll heads all over the trail so it was a good fast run with unpredictable stuff and limited visabillity at times. they cornered well in drifts and high speed swooping corners as well sa flat. They handled rocks 8" jagged dollheads ets and rock chutes well. The suspension was spot on, a little softer on the way down but reacted as my big bike does for DH just real smooth and absorbing. So it was up to tires after tah for hooking up!

Tire choice could not have been better, I rode the Muddy Marys (schwalbe) 2.35 rear and a 2.5 front hooked up, I blew through a corner with my 34 tooth maxxed out and it was wet, muddy grass going into snow and ice and the tires didnt break free at all. I was on the road for the last little jont it was wet in spots, twisty and chased a dodge pick up down and through the corners maxxed out again and no slipping even had the bike leaned way over and kept the body loading the outside lugs.

On the way


From the bottom looking up (cant see top its half again higher in the clouds, we pedalled right from where I took the pic over 2600' up)


Bob the brodie rep and the bikes


Me at the top


The EVO getting ready to descend


Bike back at the in laws house


Some funk (mud and probably some cow poo in there ! :D
 

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Hey man. I think youll really be happy with the Muddy Mary. The Big Betty has mixed opinions, but the Muddy Mary always has great feed back. I had Fat Alberts on my Hardtail, and i really thrashed them and the grip was great, and durability was good aswell. The only problem i had was the the side wall was to thin for the stuff i was doing, and i often had punctures.

Anyways, I read all the German Mags and the feedback is only possitive. I think youll be really pleased with them.
 

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Good to hear! :thumbsup:
Yeah I think the UST BB on rear with a MM front is going to give the best results for me, if not Ill swap till I find the right combo! Apparently there is a new DH tire coming soon, Its a internet thing so the reliability of the source cannot be confirmed just E-speculated.

Looking forward to givingthem a good thrashing,!
 

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I been wanting to try them out as well.

A Friend has the fat albert and big betty and loves em.

they felt good during the short time I tried them out.

Another nice thing is the large volume and light weight.
 

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i've taken my MM out on snow-covered pavement, but that is all. they performed well. also, that is one mint looking bike.

i'm actually running different schwalbes on all 3 of my bikes - street, trail and fr. that's gotta say something.
 

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i've taken my MM out on snow-covered pavement, but that is all. they performed well. also, that is one mint looking bike.

i'm actually running different schwalbes on all 3 of my bikes - street, trail and fr. that's gotta say something.
Thanks! Well then we should have a pretty good review combined in the next couple of months.
BTW yout bike is SICK for a Hardtail! Damn good looking bike!!! Post a pic here with the muddy marys on it! :thumbsup:
 

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Look forward to your reviews. I use their UST tires (Alberts) on my XC/AM bikes, and they are awesome. The only negative was the price.

PS Waiting for Jedi's to come out in March.
I can attest to the Jedi, your going to love it!!!!!! Best bike Ive ridden to date! :thumbsup:
 

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I really dig the Big Bettys in my testing of them so far mostly in Italy. One thing that does strike me odd about them is that when I am going through rocks, especially where there are loose ones, from time to time, the front wants to push and drag the rock in front of me. I don't know what's up with that, but the Rubber Queens I was side by side testing with them did not do this, although they kick up massive amounts of dirt and sand.
 

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MaxBS said:
I had Fat Alberts on my Hardtail, and i really thrashed them and the grip was great, and durability was good aswell. The only problem i had was the the side wall was to thin for the stuff i was doing, and i often had punctures.
I have not tried the heavy duty Schwalbes but with the light tyres (Nobby Nic, Racing Ralph) the SnakeSkin versions are the way to go if there's any sharpish rocks on the trails.
 

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Jerk_Chicken said:
I really dig the Big Bettys in my testing of them so far mostly in Italy. One thing that does strike me odd about them is that when I am going through rocks, especially where there are loose ones, from time to time, the front wants to push and drag the rock in front of me. I don't know what's up with that, but the Rubber Queens I was side by side testing with them did not do this, although they kick up massive amounts of dirt and sand.
Get off the front brake! :D
Sory had too! Sounds like its gripping and possibly a little low on pressure!
Is the other tire a skinnier profile? Is it a harder compount or a smoother tread design? Is the BB on backwards hence the lugs would square edge hit a rock and push it a bit?
 

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Get off the front brake! :D
Sory had too! Sounds like its gripping and possibly a little low on pressure!
Is the other tire a skinnier profile? Is it a harder compount or a smoother tread design? Is the BB on backwards hence the lugs would square edge hit a rock and push it a bit?
Since I'm testing them, I tried all sorts of pressures, from too high, to too low. I'm not going to pump it up to a rock.

The other tire has a larger carcass, and I've been using similarly sized tires without this issue.

The BB was not on backwards.

Are you having a tough time believing such a thing can happen to a Schwalbe? It's a good tire, and I use it, but I have noted this issue that I have not noted with any other tire I've used.
 

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Since I'm testing them, I tried all sorts of pressures, from too high, to too low. I'm not going to pump it up to a rock.

The other tire has a larger carcass, and I've been using similarly sized tires without this issue.

The BB was not on backwards.

Are you having a tough time believing such a thing can happen to a Schwalbe? It's a good tire, and I use it, but I have noted this issue that I have not noted with any other tire I've used.
No Im not doubiting it, its called checking possabilities! And FYI Ive destroyed just about every tire I ride with ripping lugs and riding the [email protected] out of them! So Im not in disbeleif just checking to eliminate any variables that were not posted that could have been the culprit! Makes for a better review for people to read anddoesnt leave questions as to why!
Thanks and the feedback is appreciated as I havent started the season on them yet! Looking forward to it though!
You should post some pics of the trails there, dont see alot from Italy! UK yes, stateside yes but not there! Looks kick A$$ from the ones Ive seen! :thumbsup:
 
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