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Saw this on the Nextdoor app tonight:
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So I looked for a news article and found this:

So sad, makes me think that more is needed if one is going to operate an eBike of any kind on the roads with cars.
  • Safety training
  • Licensing - Something like an M2 that is required for scooters and other low speed motorized conveyances.
  • Registration
  • Insurance

All of these, some of these?

I don't think none of these is working, and this tragic accident is proof of that.
 

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I'm sure the kid knew he was supposed to stop and the possible consequences if he didn't but he took that risk anyway. To be fair, and I'm sure this will be pointed out, he could just as easily been on a bicycle. But we did have much younger kids in my neighborhood on various motor powered scooters and such riding on the sidewalk past my house. We have thick trees along our driveway almost all the way to the street and the tendency is to not stop at the sidewalk but rather the road and you can't see if anyone is on the sidewalk until the last second. It's not an issue if they are at walking speed but traveling faster with motors (or biking on the sidewalk) could be. I cautioned everyone in my family to be cautious when leaving.
 

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I'm sure the kid knew he was supposed to stop and the possible consequences if he didn't but he took that risk anyway.
Kids don't have the mental development of adults.
 

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This highlights the need for proper bike infrastructure in the US. There should be places for kids to ride bikes where they will never cross paths with a car. In almost all car accident situations, we tend to blame individuals, but in actuality it's our poorly planned infrastructure which bears most of the blame. The kid should not have run the light, but that is obvious. My hope is that one day, we can all just ride our bikes without fear of being hit by cars. Until then, I hope the young person is able to recover from this accident.
 

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So sad, makes me think that more is needed if one is going to operate an eBike of any kind on the roads with cars.
Why do you say that? It seems as if you're singling out ebikes because you are not advocating further regulation of pedal powered bikes. Should pedal powered bicyclists be required to have special training before they operate a bicycle on a road with cars?
 

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This highlights the need for proper bike infrastructure in the US. There should be places for kids to ride bikes where they will never cross paths with a car. In almost all car accident situations, we tend to blame individuals, but in actuality it's our poorly planned infrastructure which bears most of the blame. The kid should not have run the light, but that is obvious. My hope is that one day, we can all just ride our bikes without fear of being hit by cars. Until then, I hope the young person is able to recover from this accident.
I live in a bike friendly city, with miles and miles of dedicated bike lanes and lots of bike infrastructure. Cyclists still have to stop in red lights here. Even when they ride to the skatepark to send jumps on their BMX bikes. People ride bikes on the road for transportation. This has nothing to do with other places to ride bikes.
 

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I'm sure the kid knew he was supposed to stop and the possible consequences if he didn't but he took that risk anyway. To be fair, and I'm sure this will be pointed out, he could just as easily been on a bicycle. But we did have much younger kids in my neighborhood on various motor powered scooters and such riding on the sidewalk past my house. We have thick trees along our driveway almost all the way to the street and the tendency is to not stop at the sidewalk but rather the road and you can't see if anyone is on the sidewalk until the last second. It's not an issue if they are at walking speed but traveling faster with motors (or biking on the sidewalk) could be. I cautioned everyone in my family to be cautious when leaving.
Saw this on the Nextdoor app tonight:
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So I looked for a news article and found this:

So sad, makes me think that more is needed if one is going to operate an eBike of any kind on the roads with cars.
  • Safety training
  • Licensing - Something like an M2 that is required for scooters and other low speed motorized conveyances.
  • Registration
  • Insurance

All of these, some of these?

I don't think none of these is working, and this tragic accident is proof of that.
Keep in mind a bicycle, whether an e-bike or conventional pedal bike, is legally considered a "vehicle" and is legally obligated to stop at stop signs and red lights. Failing to stop often ends badly like in this incident. I sincerely hope the guy recovers from his injuries and I also hope he learns from what happened.

I learned back in grade school that a the bicycle is legally considered a vehicle when a police officer came to my class one day and did a presentation on bicycle safety when riding on the street. The traffic laws for cars apply equally to bicycles. Maybe it's time a cop or someone simply really reaches out to the kids again about bike safety on the street?
 

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This could have been on a “regular” bike too. For that matter a skate board could have been the vehicle. There is no reason to list the e-bike as a cause. I also cringe at the idea there should be a sudden move to insurance and training and licensing because a kid did something stupid. Keep in mind he probably knows the rules of the road already since he is old enough to drive. With the right infrastructure bikes can co-exist with cars, instead we turn to the problem being bikes themselves. We need more people on bikes than ever, knee jerk reactions to a single incident that makes it hard for people to ride bikes is going entirely in the wrong direction.
 

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Kids don't have the mental development of adults.
While true, he's in high school, so very close to driving age, if he's not there already. Of course, plenty of adults don't have the mental development that they should either. I have a good friend that got hit riding a small ICE bike a few years ago. The driver stopped and assisted (broken hip among other things). I asked my friend if there were any witnesses and he said the driver stated that he had run a stop sign and he admitted that he probably did. This guy is in his 50s.
 

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Why do you say that? It seems as if you're singling out ebikes because you are not advocating further regulation of pedal powered bikes. Should pedal powered bicyclists be required to have special training before they operate a bicycle on a road with cars?
I say it because Commuter style eBikes are instantly 2-3 times faster than a pedal bike with similar or even less effort, most of the ones I have seen locally have Throttles on them. Yesterday on my drive home from work I saw 3 teens riding commuter eBikes from the High School to home. They were all riding correctly in the bike lanes and not doing anything dangerous, but they were not pedaling. I think it is great that kids have a faster way to get around, but these Mo-Peds are different enough from pedal Bikes when it comes to speed the regulations need to be different.

These are not Class 1 Ped-elecs that only work when the rider is pedaling. These are mo-peds.

At the very least a Mandatory Safety training class is needed. Someone mentioned having a Police officer speak to his class as a student about the legal ramifications of being treated the same as a Vehicle when riding a bicycle, maybe the answer is something like that, mandatory in school lessons on them?

Better infrastructure is always good, San Diego is almost done with a dedicated Bike Path that runs north/south between the 5 Freeway and the Coast, that is going to be awesome. But no amount of infrastructure is going to stop dangerous behavior on city streets where there are cars and intersections, and even with good bike paths there is always going to be some surface street riding to get to and from the bike path.

Lets remember, this was a Teenage Boy. Most of us here were Teenage Boys at one point. Most of us did dangerous things with our vehicles or our parents vehicles at that age. I know I did. I had a quad and then a dirt bike and did all sorts of dumb stuff with it. I also got each of my parents cars air born on a local street with a big bump. My brother flew out of the back of a pickup bed as a teen cause he and his teenage buddy were practicing climbing from the cab to the bed while doing donuts in a parking lot. Teenage boys do dangerous stuff, that is why Car Insurance for them is higher than any other demographic. This is not some sort of thing where insurance companies are picking on Teenaged boys, it is just a result of the facts.
 

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So sad, makes me think that more is needed if one is going to operate an eBike of any kind on the roads with cars.
  • Safety training
  • Licensing - Something like an M2 that is required for scooters and other low speed motorized conveyances.
  • Registration
  • Insurance

All of these, some of these?
Don't forget the most important point which is "common sense"
I doesn't take a genius to figure out how a crash with a bike and a car that weights more than a ton will end.
 

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I think the point is that he would not be traveling as fast if he were on a regular bike. I'm sure this isn't the first red light ran by this individual. It is inevitable that "bikes" will be regulated as these incedents will increase; as will the severity of the injuries due to increased speed potential. California goverment has never heard a tax propasal they didn't like and I could see a bicycle registration in the near future. I'm not a e-bike hater and I belive that I will eventually wind up on one because I enjoy mountain biking so much.
 

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I think the point is that he would not be traveling as fast if he were on a regular bike. I'm sure this isn't the first red light ran by this individual. It is inevitable that "bikes" will be regulated as these incedents will increase; as will the severity of the injuries due to increased speed potential. California goverment has never heard a tax propasal they didn't like and I could see a bicycle registration in the near future. I'm not a e-bike hater and I belive that I will eventually wind up on one because I enjoy mountain biking so much.
Agreed.
 

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I too live in a bike friendly city. What I’ve seen is a large number of cyclists (both e-bike and pedal), have a total disregard for the traffic rules and for their own safety as well. In addition to running red lights, they have no helmet, no nighttime reflective gear or lights. The local drivers are pissed off, but thanks to their diligent driving no major accidents that I’m aware of. My son and a friend each had incidents where a biker ran a red light and crashed into their cars. My son’s car has a big dent on the front right quarter panel. That biker just rode away (hit and run). My son pulled over and called the police and filed a report. In the case of our friend, the biker hit her car and then was laying there screaming that our friend had hit her and she was going to sue. Then a cop walked up and said “no way”! He witnessed the whole thing and issued a ticket to the cyclist. It’s unfortunate that there’s so many of these dopes out there.
 

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You guys forget being that age?

Bikes were a way to get around before having a driver's licence.

Obeying traffic laws was not high on the priority list. Sheesh.

Now add a motor.
This is the crux of the matter.
 

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. All of us were kids at some point and did dumb things. for most of us, our "Dumb things" were not dumb enough to prevent us from reaching adulthood. I don't wish this upon anyone but it is hard to feel sorry for the kid this was entirely his actions that lead to this. you cant regulate stupid and you cant regulate self preservation. stupid people will always find a way to hurt themselves.
 
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