Saint..its obvious.The Saint line is awesome.
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Really?..I thought the Saint line was awesome..I havent really seen the RaceFace ones.. 
You know what forget what i put.
I have no expierence with race face..I just like the Saint line.
I have no expierence with race face..I just like the Saint line.
Dude - I fondled both of them in person . . . which is not to say that I rode them but I've at least seen and felt their construction. That Saint bashguard is frickin' plastic! I swear . . . as a designer, you gotta be the world's biggest weight weenie to spec a freeride bashguard from plastic. It seems really dumb and makes me question how commited Shimano is to ultra-rugged performance on a cost-no-object product line.CanadianHooligan said:Really?..I thought the Saint line was awesome..I havent really seen the RaceFace ones..
The Saint cranks look good and they feel a little lighter than the Diabolous. Maybe weight's a big factor for you but I doubt it if you're in need of the industry's burliest freeride cranks. I think the Diabolous looks much better and my gut feeling is that it's more durable than the Saint but both of these products are ludicrously beefy.
Apparently the RaceFace Diabolous bottom bracket is better shielded from crud than the Shimano. It's all hearsay from me but you should hunt around for other people's opinions and exploded view assembly drawings on that issue. RaceFace has a dirt shield built into the BB from one of their drawings (might be the flash animation on their website intro).
Most importantly, I think you should support Canadian product development - you wannabe Canuck bandying this "Canadian" alias.
As a Canadian mechanical engineer, I think it's great that RaceFace are a world-class cutting-edge design / marketing / manufacturing facility. Besides, Diabolous is typically cheaper than Saint. And you bet your ass your RaceFace lifetime warranty will actually mean something compared to the denials and run-arounds from the big S. RaceFace are a stand-up outfit for warranty claims. It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned for a product you know you're buying to abuse. Go for the Diabolous.Nice post..just my Dad works for Shimano so you know.
Yeah, what dumbass would do something like thatDave99 said:
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So do you have a Saint crank?
ps.Was that Comment on what you know,direscted at me?.
ps.Was that Comment on what you know,direscted at me?.
That's not the same thing as the Saint bashguard. The Saint bashguard is NOT solid plastic like the E-Thirteen Supercharger. It's a thinned plastic shell with reinforcing ribs arranged as a series of tall alternating triangular features. The plastic looks very much like an impact-resistant thermoplast. There's no doubt this is a volume-manufacturing cost-reduction compared to expensive machining from Al billet.Slack said:Yeah, what dumbass would do something like that
My massive heat-treated 6061-T6 bashguard is munched up and deformed by rocks and concrete. A thin plastic shell bashguard for freeride and DH seems like a bad idea to me. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned but I remember a lot of my plastic toys breaking as a kid. Now add 200 lbs and 60 km/h worth of momentum to the mix. I don't know why you'd willingly pay more money for that Saint bashguard compared to a nice aluminum bashguard from RaceFace.
No apology necesaary, broCanadianHooligan said:
That's what we're here for, to share, learn and mock I can't comment on Shimano's guard because I've never seen one and really don't know squat about it. It may well be crapDave99 said:
But, platics are very good and useful material for all kinds of stuff. Things have changed a lot in the past coupe/few decades.
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Yeah - plastics have become very strong - especially if the manufacturer is willing to pay for the good stuff. The e-Thirteen looks like an interesting design. It's massive so I imagine it is pretty resilient. What bothers me about the Saint bashguard is that the thin plastic shell is not reinforced everywhere . . . just at the rib interfaces. Maybe it's enough. My personal bias is that metals are ductile and malleable. They absorb stress by strain deformation and can therefore take beat after beat without failure. Plastics tend to be brittle and fracture. It just seems like an unnecessary potential headache based on my personal biases. I don't hate plastics . . . but I'd rather see metal all other things being equal.Slack said:I can't comment on Shimano's guard because I've never seen one and really don't know squat about it. It may well be crap
But, platics are very good and useful material for all kinds of stuff. Things have changed a lot in the past coupe/few decades.
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