[RMB-PM]

Bike Germany published this... They got their mitts on a few pre-production bikes.

For those wondering about the frame weights: the Black RSL has no paint on it... The Red MSL obviously does... Neither has the carbon link.

If you can read deutsch:

 

[rockyuphill]

Do you know yet whether the production frames and pre-production frame weights will be the same (ish).

 

[RMB-PM]

The layup is final, as is the paint. What will vary is the ti hardware in the RSL, and teh carbon links on both...

 

[rockyuphill]

Nifty, I like the fact I won't have to order a bunch of Ti bolts for the Element Team RSL frame.

 

[RMB-PM]

Oh, but what about all the stem bolts, derailleur bolts, brake bolts, etc... ?

 

[rockyuphill]

The build kit I have here already has most of those tweaked out, even the Ti bolts on the RF Next seatpost. I even have a set of alloy bottle cage bolts because they're even lighter (and I don't use a cage).

So are there any updates on when these spiffy Element Team frames might appear at Different Bikes so I can take them a small suitcase full of small denomination unmarked bills?

 

[adviljunky]

Has pricing in Canada been announced? Leaning towards the MSL70 but the RSL sure looks tempting.

 

[eric]

This may be a silly question, but any idea how much seat mast is there on the 19" MSL, from the top of the TT?

Plan A is still an MSL (of course there's that color question that I've still gotta answer ) and I'm thinking at 6'0" I maybe should stop buying 18 inchers with 130 mm stems and get a grown-up bike for once.

Back to the review: I see the guys over the border measured an extra 10 mm of BB height compared to my '07 Element in Alpine mode with fat tires. :thumbsup:

 

[rockyuphill]

The frame I was up close and personal with at North Shore Bike Fest looks like about 4" above the TT to the top of the seat post clamp. I wonder if the seatpost still needs to extend below the top tube/seat tube junction?

 

[eric]

Thanks! That would make it no issue at all then!

 

[adviljunky]

I was wondering on the sizing too. I'm 5'7" - torn between 16.5 and 18.

 

[JPHcross]

I am 5'7" with 30" inseam and I ride a size 16.5 Element.
I can make both sizes work but I chose the 16.5 to get the extra standover, the shorter TT and the shorter headtube. I rode with 110mm stem and a layback seatpost with the rails in the middle. If I ride an 18, I need a 80 or 90mm stem with no spacers and flipped upside down to get the right position, this works but is less ideal than the set-up on a 16.5.