[bvachon29]

Just looking to see if anyone has experience with these two fattys! On paper they're similar-ish, Mayor (V5) seems to be a little shorter, with shorter chainstays.

Looking to maybe upgrade this winter, probably crazy but these two are front runners in the search so far. One note, definitely planning for this to be used 29+ during summer as well.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

I’m looking at the Wyatt myself - I go back to review I read on it by I think fat bike . Com?
Where the reviewer said he’d take the Wyatt over any cookie cutter fat bike .


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[singletrackmack]

I just replaced my mayor V4 with the new V5 frame. I was considering going with the maverick. I ended up with the V5 mainly due to compatibility of components as I was doing a frame swap.

Their geo looks pretty similar, but the intended fork length for these bikes are very different. The maverick comes with a 530mm length rigid fork while the mayor comes with a 490mm rigid fork. If you plan to run a sus fork and keep the geometry the same as with the rigid fork at 67/74, the maverick will need a longer suspension fork than the mayor.

I have a 120mm Standard mastodon for the mayor. I was thinking about running it at 140mm if I got the maverick to keep the geo at about 67/74, but I think the EXT is better suited for the maverick. Run the EXT on the maverick at 120mm to keep the 67/74 geo, or longer to slacken it out to 66/73.

I run the mayor with the 120mm standard so with 20% sag it rides at about 66/73. I don’t care about sta getting slacker as its a hardtail, plus these bikes have plenty of room so if you want a steeper/slacker effective sta, moving the seat around on the rails is not a problem. I really like the 66* hta and am thinking about running the fork at 130mm to get the HTA in the mid 65* range and if I like, then might try 140mm.

The maverick does have longer stays with greater adjustability range than the mayor which is something I really like on the maverick. But I did not like the long seat tube on the XL maverick. However, I did email them and they said they could do custom and put a shorter seat tube on, so that was cool.

 

[Crockpot2001]

I own a Maverick and a Growler Stout. I loved the lightweight of the Growler but it was a tad bit small for me in XXL. I gave that to my wife (she's 6') and bought a Wyatt. WOW! As you've noted, the geometry is definitely modern and progressive. I run it with a Wren fork at 120mm but I believe the frame is OK up to 140mm. It destroys DHs! Yeah, the ST is pretty long and maybe even excessively but it works perfectly for me at 6'4". I love the clearance for BIG 27.5 tires but that comes with a price in that you MUST run raceface cranks to get the clearance at the chain stays. I wish the Q factor was narrower. When I run flat pedals I hit the sides of the trail quite a bit. The Wyatt is a GREAT frame and made in the USA similar to a Growler.

 

[bergsnj]

I have a mayor V4 with a 100mm mastodon EXT. The bike is very fun and easy to jib around on. I hit all the bonus trail features with it. It gobbles up technical downhills and climbs really nicely especially with 28 x 50 granny gearing with an eagle drivetrain. It was a blast in the crazy snowy conditions that we had in the northeast last year too. I keep it 26"x4.8" all year, minions in the summer and studded wrathchilds in the winter. I can't recommend the mayor enough

 

[bvachon29]

I just replaced my mayor V4 with the new V5 frame. I was considering going with the maverick. I ended up with the V5 mainly due to compatibility of components as I was doing a frame swap.

Their geo looks pretty similar, but the intended fork length for these bikes are very different. The maverick comes with a 530mm length rigid fork while the mayor comes with a 490mm rigid fork. If you plan to run a sus fork and keep the geometry the same as with the rigid fork at 67/74, the maverick will need a longer suspension fork than the mayor.

I have a 120mm Standard mastodon for the mayor. I was thinking about running it at 140mm if I got the maverick to keep the geo at about 67/74, but I think the EXT is better suited for the maverick. Run the EXT on the maverick at 120mm to keep the 67/74 geo, or longer to slacken it out to 66/73.

I run the mayor with the 120mm standard so with 20% sag it rides at about 66/73. I don’t care about sta getting slacker as its a hardtail, plus these bikes have plenty of room so if you want a steeper/slacker effective sta, moving the seat around on the rails is not a problem. I really like the 66* hta and am thinking about running the fork at 130mm to get the HTA in the mid 65* range and if I like, then might try 140mm.

The maverick does have longer stays with greater adjustability range than the mayor which is something I really like on the maverick. But I did not like the long seat tube on the XL maverick. However, I did email them and they said they could do custom and put a shorter seat tube on, so that was cool.

Those are good points which I had noticed but really paid no thought to it. It also seems the Maverick sits much taller in the front, the stack is much larger than the Mayor's. Wyatt is also speccing all models with Mastadon EXT forks like you were referring to.

 

[bvachon29]

I own a Maverick and a Growler Stout. I loved the lightweight of the Growler but it was a tad bit small for me in XXL. I gave that to my wife (she's 6') and bought a Wyatt. WOW! As you've noted, the geometry is definitely modern and progressive. I run it with a Wren fork at 120mm but I believe the frame is OK up to 140mm. It destroys DHs! Yeah, the ST is pretty long and maybe even excessively but it works perfectly for me at 6'4". I love the clearance for BIG 27.5 tires but that comes with a price in that you MUST run raceface cranks to get the clearance at the chain stays. I wish the Q factor was narrower. When I run flat pedals I hit the sides of the trail quite a bit. The Wyatt is a GREAT frame and made in the USA similar to a Growler.

I will say the made in USA part is a big part of why I'm looking at the Maverick, along with the geo, especially because I'm from Wisconsin originally. Good to note with the q factor, do you know what it measures at on the Maverick? Cant seem to find it on Wyatt's website.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

Those are good points which I had noticed but really paid no thought to it. It also seems the Maverick sits much taller in the front, the stack is much larger than the Mayor's. Wyatt is also speccing all models with Mastadon EXT forks like you were referring to.

As a tall rider I find that all positive .


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[Crockpot2001]

I will say the made in USA part is a big part of why I'm looking at the Maverick, along with the geo, especially because I'm from Wisconsin originally. Good to note with the q factor, do you know what it measures at on the Maverick? Cant seem to find it on Wyatt's website.

I do not know the frame width at the chainstay. I keep the bike at my cabin in WV. Sorry. It will NOT clear SRAM family cranks.

 

[Crockpot2001]

As a tall rider I find that all positive .


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100% agree! The trend to low stacks for all bikes is ridiculous. A Fatbike is especially wrong for the low stack. Flat bars and flipped stem gets most where they need to be if they don't like the stack.
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[singletrackmack]

As a tall rider I find that all positive .


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100% agree! The trend to low stacks for all bikes is ridiculous. A Fatbike is especially wrong for the low stack. Flat bars and flipped stem gets most where they need to be if they don't like the stack.
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Yes, but realize that fork length plays the biggest role in stack height. In this case here, the maverick has a 40mm taller stack, because it is specd with a 40mm taller fork.

As I mentioned, I was thinking about running my standard mastodon at 140mm travel if I got the maverick frame. The stack on mayor would be the same as the stack on the maverick with this fork.
The main difference here is that the mayor can be made to run slacker than the maverick while having the same stack height.

 

[bvachon29]

Gotcha, I don't think I'd be messing with fork travel as 120 would do the trick for what I ride. Given that, I'm not the best at reading geo tables. Would there be any other big differences between the two? I'd be comparing the Medium Maverick (left table) and Large Mayor (right table).

 

[singletrackmack]

There is a lot going on between these two bikes and I had a hard time thinking about how the maverick would be different than the mayor back when I was buying a new frame.

First off, if you haven’t already, really look at the wheel base. That is going to have a big impact on how a bike rides. The maverick is a huge bike. For example, the wheel base is in the same range as a Trek Slash or Santa Cruz Nomad. So even if you use the stock fork at only 120mm travel, the maverick is going to ride bigger than the mayor, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Next, look at the bottom of the geo chart for the maverick. It says “geometry without suspension sag”, while the mayor geo chart shows measurements at 20% sag with a 100mm standard fork. So that complicates things some.
But, before we go into that though, it is important to think about the mastodon EXT vs the Standard. You may already know this, but if not, the EXT has a 20mm longer a2c than the Standard for the same travel. So, if you plan to run a 120mm EXT, that is the same height fork as pretty much any standard 140mm fork. So, in essence, the EXT is a 140mm fork, but with only 120mm of travel.

I believe maverick has another geo chart showing geometry with a 505mm or so a2c fork height to show geometry for a Standard 120mm fork at sag or the EXT with 100mm travel. This shows the maverick at 68/75. However, the mayor with the 120mm Standard fork or 100mm EXT would be more like 66/73. I found this to be a very important distinction between the bikes for me.

Now, when I was looking into the maverick, one think I was thinking about was running an angle adjust headset to get that 2 degrees back. But it is more complicated than just adding an adjust headset though as the fork needs to get longer to keep the height the same, so then I was looking into having to get the EXT fork and then it was getting too complicated so the V5 mayor it was for me.

ETT on the maverick medium looks to be quite a bit longer than the large mayor also, so will have more room and feel a little longer when seated. The head tube is quite a bit taller on the medium maverick vs the large mayor as well, which contributes to its taller stack and longer wheel base.

Sure there are a few more other things, but I think that‘s most of what I was looking at when I last bought.

 

[BansheeRune]

I find it amusing to see things left out of the HTA discussion itself. Rarely do folks include rake of a given fork and how that number will alter caster angle. Caster is not determined by the HTA alone! It is part of the formula but there is rake and A/C that also play into it.

The above can render HTA numbers meaningless if one is not careful.

 

[singletrackmack]

I find it amusing to see things left out of the HTA discussion itself. Rarely do folks include rake of a given fork and how that number will alter caster angle. Caster is not determined by the HTA alone! It is part of the formula but there is rake and A/C that also play into it.

The above can render HTA numbers meaningless if one is not careful.

While very insightful, what does that have to do with comparing these two bikes that will both be running the same 51mm offset fork?

 

[BansheeRune]

While very insightful, what does that have to do with comparing these two bikes that will both be running the same 51mm offset fork?

More often than not, it is left out. With multiple fork choices it can come into play.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

How is the build quality of the Wyatt?


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[Crockpot2001]

How is the build quality of the Wyatt?


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If your question is specific to the frame, the welds are very nice, as far as AL welds go. The headtube/downtube brace is well done. The threaded BB seemed already to have been chased. Nothing sloppy, that is for sure.

 

[bvachon29]

@singletrackmack thanks for the detailed breakdown. As much as my heart wants to get the Wyatt I think the RSD sounds like more of the year-round trail bike/fat-bike I'd be looking for.

 

[singletrackmack]

More often than not, it is left out. With multiple fork choices it can come into play.

Got it. Good to keep an eye on especially with rigid forks being run on fat bikes so often. I remember that being a big deal back in the 90’s with so many rigid forks. I still have a Bontrager Race frame with a special offset rockshox fork.

I think above 65 degrees the 51mm offset seems to work pretty good for suspension forks.