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I was at the Rohloff booth twice and was only able to snap some pictures. The reason why I say "twice" is because only one rep was busy...

The second time, only one rep was busy again...

...also disturbing was the number of companies out there not overseeing their employees and controlling such things as their interest in text messaging over actually speaking to people that are interested in writing articles on said product.

Unfortunately, three strikes for me with Rohloff. I can't get them to answer emails, nor could I get any of their free employees to even walk over or even make eye contact.
 

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Jerk_Chicken said:
Unfortunately, three strikes for me with Rohloff. I can't get them to answer emails, nor could I get any of their free employees to even walk over or even make eye contact.
He was probably just getting to responding to your emails on his Blackberry while on the Expo floor, managing to avoid eye contact with you. :D

As much as I love Rohloff, I agree with you that they can be hard to get ahold of and aren't always eager to respond… and we're talking two different entities here, Rohloff AG and Rohloff USA.

USA is tons better now that they've got a second person in the shop. But previously, I couldn't help but feel like maybe they've been too successful for their own good; what is the personal motivating factor to respond promptly to customer communications if your product is selling faster than you can build it?

I hope they realize that the gear hub market is just barely cracked. Ten years and just barely 100,000 units sold by the end of this year, there is room for more. Hopefully Rohloff can stay on top of things and meet consumer demands (variable dropout spacing, trigger shifters, Speedbone for post mounts, etc.) before Shimano or some upstart starts grabbing.
 

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What's the point? Speedhub + gripshift is pretty much shifting nirvana. Is there anyone here who has a speedhub and would prefer triggers?
I think MOST Speedhub users preffer twister-style shifting, once they understand the benefits. But my impression is A LOT of potential Speedhub users use the lack of a trigger option as an excuse not to buy in.

Who is to say whether those trigger die-hards would relent and use twist shifting once they began running the hub? I could see it going both ways.
 

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But my impression is A LOT of potential Speedhub users use the lack of a trigger option as an excuse not to buy in.
I was thinking the same thing. That's why I'm curious if there are any current/previous owners who would still prefer triggers. It seems unfathomable to me but maybe someone has a good reason.
 

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I've had a Speedhub for a few years now and I'd much prefer a trigger shifter. I'm not really a fan of grip shifting in general but the Rohloff offering is beyond horrible. It's a stupid triangular shape (which I've since turned off) and it's way too wide to the point where I can't put my brake lever where I want it. If they develop this trigger shifter a bit more I'm all for it :D.
 

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Triggers with a rohloff

I have 2 speedhubs in two different applications: a freeride bike and my commuter. In both situations i would love a trigger. Twisting the grip while bouncing along in whistler makes my wrist feel like it is going to break. Not to mention the trouble getting the brake lever in a good spot. On the commuter it's more of a preference for only having one kind of shifter across all my bikes and brake lever placement. Additionally, some kind of trigger system would be a great benefit for people running drop bars. I wanted to build a touring tandem around a rohloff but the lack of a good place to mount the shifter nixed the idea. If someone made a shifter that could be mounted on the bar tops, that would be perfect.

In short, yes, people with rohloff/twist experience would go for a trigger if it were available. Just not with wood shift paddles. Come up with some kind of formula one systems, one paddle per hand. Each paddle designed to shift the hub in one direction. I know it would be tough because you would have to figure out how to un-spool cable fro one shifter while simulatneously spooling cable onto the other shifter but if we can put a man on the moon, someone can figure this out.
 

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I would go for a Rohloff trigger shifter if they could come up with a good design. Having owned and worked with a Rohloff for a while, it's hard for me to imagine a trigger shifter design that would work well. I can imagine them creating a racheting trigger system that might work but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as light and quick as a SRAM or Shimano trigger shifters. That said, I find the benefits of a Rohloff system make it easy for me to deal with the twist shifter.
 

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I think the one thing that will be lost with triggers is that ability to drop something like 6-8 speeds in a single twist in a flash. That would pretty much toss out any advantage to triggers. The thing I like about the new XTR triggers is their ability to do several gears at a time up or down, but it doesn't compare to the gears you can change on a Rohloff.
 

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I *like* gripshift. However I can't help but feel that the Rohloff version is one of the worst I've tried. Vague, uncomfortable, and frankly not all that grippy. Not something I'd want to try using wearing wet muddy gloves. (compare it to an XO grippy if you want)

Also, as per Olga, triggers are great for FR/DH bikes. I used to run grippies on my big bike, but found having to move my entire hand to shift whilst perched on a 6" wide skinny, or trying to negotiate some root-infested corner frankly hazardous. Upshifts were doable, but downshifting was nigh on impossible without letting go of the front brake.
 

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You can dial out a lot of twist shift vagueness by tensioning the cables more (at the risk of making it so touchy that it tries to partially shift with small hand movements), but the indexing is in the hub not the shifter, so there's a lot of things in between the hex head shift actuator in the hub and the shifter assembly on the bars that provide some mushiness.

A Rohloff trigger shifter will never have the crispness of the X-0 or XTR just because those have the indexing at the trigger, and with the Rohloff there will always be the cable and shift box in between the hub and the triggers on the bars.
 

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Please, Please Please! Tell me this shifter is for sale, I've been praying for one for all the reasons stated above. It's nigh on imposible to shift in tight situations with the current grip shift. Does anyone have any idea if the trigger shifter's are available as yet?
 
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