[Mr Bling]

I demoed a C'dale Rush and somewhat felt at ease with the SRAM triggers.
was wondering if anyone who uses them could throw in his 0.2 especially in terms of finish, compatibility with XT rear mech. and reliability.

Please don't UGI my into XOs, can't afford them...

 

[cactuscorn]

I demoed a C'dale Rush and somewhat felt at ease with the SRAM triggers.
was wondering if anyone who uses them could throw in his 0.2 especially in terms of finish, compatibility with XT rear mech. and reliability.

Please don't UGI my into XOs, can't afford them...

finish is great, mechanically theyre very sound, compatability with shimano is non existant as the cable pull ratio is totally diff. 1 to 1 vs shimanos 2 to 1. reliability is proven. its a nice diversion from the standard choice but i wouldnt say is a upgrade, more like a straight swap. of my 5 or 6 main rides only 1 is x - 9 but hey, its a start.

 

[Mr Bling]

finish is great, mechanically theyre very sound, compatability with shimano is non existant as the cable pull ratio is totally diff. 1 to 1 vs shimanos 2 to 1. reliability is proven. its a nice diversion from the standard choice but i wouldnt say is a upgrade, more like a straight swap. of my 5 or 6 main rides only 1 is x - 9 but hey, its a start.

I was under the impression that X9 was for SRAM and rocket trigger was for shimano whereas X0s are only SRAM friendly...

 

[cactuscorn]

thats true. anything rocket is shimano compatable. you didnt specify so i assumed....

 

[Relayden]

Try them you won't be disappointed, I have both the one's for sram on one bike and the shimano compatible on other, they are way better. The way of shifting is so intuitive, that when you try a shimano it feels, well not logical or natural.

 

[Mr Bling]

Try them you won't be disappointed, I have both the one's for sram on one bike and the shimano compatible on other, they are way better. The way of shifting is so intuitive, that when you try a shimano it feels, well not logical or natural.

exactly, I just demoed the Sram for about three hours but coming back to my shimanos was...well...akward...not intuitive

 

[Jayem]

Word of warning, some people like the rocket thumbies (sram thumbies) and some people prefer the shimano triggers.

Ergonomics works different for every person, so it's not a sure shot just cause someone else likes it.

 

[IdahoBiker]

X7 vs. X9

Is it worth the extra $$ to go X9 over X7?

 

[cutthroat]

The Rockets are quite nice. Shift quality is on par with the XTs, maybe a little crisper, but the thumb activation for upshifts as well as downshifts is far superior IMO. After riding the SRAM set-up, I found myself using the XTs on my other bike just with my thumb. You can do it, but it's not as ergnomic. Never having to take your index finger off the brake lever to shift is just way more logical. I don't know about the X7 vs the X9 or whether the X7 comes in a Shimano 2:1 activation ratio?

 

[[email protected]]

Do it

I threw on the less expensive Attack triggers mated up to a Saint der and man they are sweet.
I run my brake levers way down the bar so i can 1 finger brake with my index finger and with the srams i can still reach the thumb paddles.
With the Shimanos i cannot reach the trigger lever without letting go of the grip and scooting my whole hand inboard to reach.

The best thing is when riding rolling downhill terrain i can grab a gear and still have my finger on the brake lever.I can keep my momentum by shifting more and have less panic situations by having my finger on the brake at all times.

I can't go back.

Sram will warranty metal parts,but not plastic if something breaks.I should have bought the rockets in hindsight as insurance.(x9/rocket mostly metal, x7/attack more plastic)

 

[Cary]

I'm going to be the odd man out. I have X7 shifters on the Turner and XT shifter pods on the Titus. I much prefer the XT pods. I simply cannot get use to downshifting with my thumb and often find myself hitting the trigger by accident on the X7.

That said, I think the 1:1 ratio SRAM stuff works much better than the 1:2 shimano on FS bikes. I had ghost shifting with the Shimano on the Turner but never the SRAM stuff. The Titus is a hardtail and uses 8 Speed, so it just shifts.

 

[squish]

"Word of warning, some people like the rocket thumbies (sram thumbies) and some people prefer the shimano triggers.

Ergonomics works different for every person, so it's not a sure shot just cause someone else likes it"

Wow, I think that's about the best bit of advice I've seen from Jayem (just poking a little fun here). But he is dead right, everyone is different.

Personally I can jump back and forth between either style shifter and be happy using it in about 10 minutes. Though my preference is for the SRAM shifters, for exacty most of the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that I really like the X.0 rear derailleur. The shifts on the XT or XTR shift pods feel really dead to me to, there's just not a real noticeable click to let you know you did just fire off a shift. It is there, you just have to be really paying attention to notice it most of the time, and I'd rather concentrate on where my front tire is going.

And one other bit of info...

X.7/X.9/X.0 = 1 to 1 ratio

Attach/Rocket = 2 to 1 ratio

Just my .02, take as you will...

happy trails...

squish

 

[zkampyman]

Which one do you prefer?

Try them you won't be disappointed, I have both the one's for sram on one bike and the shimano compatible on other, they are way better. The way of shifting is so intuitive, that when you try a shimano it feels, well not logical or natural.

I read your post about the sram X series vs. the rocket. Although you expressed a preference for one vs. the other, I am unclear which one you liked better the 'X' series or the rocket shifters.

Thanks for your reply!

Cutthroat,
The X7 & X9 are reportedly have the same innards and different outer coverings.

Confirmation by the local rep would be a good idea. I have ridden the XO drive chain and it better than my 952 series XTR. Simply, STATE OF THE ART!!!

 

[Jayem]

And one other bit of info...

X.7/X.9/X.0 = 1 to 1 ratio

Attach/Rocket = 2 to 1 ratio

Ok, thanks for the comments, and I don't want to turn this into a total sram-bashfest. The ergonomics part of the post was just like many other things, and since these are controls that are designed to operate in a certain way, some people will like em and some wont. Kind of like seats.

The "ratio" of the shifters is not right though. The "1:1 and 2:1" ratio stuff is put out by sram's marketing. If you dig around in shimano product manuals, you'll find that the actual ratio is 1.7:1 and the ratio for sram is about 1.2:1. Not exactly as huge a difference as they'd have you believe, in fact Shimano has has made their own twist shifters and the rocket and attack shifters are also good indicators of what can be done with the 1.7:1 ratio. The lower ratio has advantages (tolerances do not have to be as tight so it will shift well for a long period of time), and it also has disadvantages such as longer lever throw.

 

[006_007]

you'll find that the actual ratio is 1.7:1 and the ratio for sram is about 1.2:1. Not exactly as huge a difference as they'd have you believe, in fact Shimano has has made their own twist shifters and the rocket and attack shifters are also good indicators of what can be done with the 1.7:1 ratio. The lower ratio has advantages (tolerances do not have to be as tight so it will shift well for a long period of time), and it also has disadvantages such as longer lever throw.

So a @ 30% difference is not a huge difference? If my bike was 30% lighter or heavier I would classify that as at least significant, if not huge......

Just stirring the pot Jayem, You bring out some good pros/cons regarding the tolerances VS lever throw.

What ever happened to the Shimano twist shifters?

 

[Hot-Rod]

Go X.9!!

I put the Rocket triggers on my hardtail with an XT Rear Der. to try them. I loved the fit. It was much more comfortable and instinctive. I liked it so much that I switched my Burner over to X.9 triggers and rear der and cassette. After six months the X.9's still shift like new. Shimano always seemed to fade after a couple of months.
I am now done with Shimano drive trains and shifters.

Try the Rockets you won't be disappointed.

 

[Mr Bling]

I put the Rocket triggers on my hardtail with an XT Rear Der. to try them. I loved the fit. It was much more comfortable and instinctive. I liked it so much that I switched my Burner over to X.9 triggers and rear der and cassette. After six months the X.9's still shift like new. Shimano always seemed to fade after a couple of months.
I am now done with Shimano drive trains and shifters.

Try the Rockets you won't be disappointed.

Thanks for your input as our situations are identical.
I still have the pike (finally going air U turn no poplock and CRC, BTW) and the king front wheel to pay for and then...and only then...

 

[Relayden]

Well they are basically the same the only dif being the cable pull ratio, nevertheless the sram set-up just feels more responsive. Shimano derailleurs ( at least the xt, the only ones I've had) are more suceptible and require more attention to adjusting and cable condition. But the rocket shifters (or any Sram Shifter) are a great upgrade to any shimano system IMO and experience. But as others have stated, every human being has its preferences. So far have seen more and more people coverting to the Sram way of shifting. I just hope Shimano keeps offering the choices in order to keep as many people riding and happy as possible.