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Spot on review. My only complaint is that the shock valving is way off for heavier riders, even with the large air sleeve. My shock is at PUSH right now. The bike is very versatile. Obviously, it rides the rough stuff very well but I also find that I can compete with my weight weenie ht riding friends on smooth single track as well. The only time they pull away is on sustained smooth climbs where the light bike wins out.
 

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bikenut316 said:
Spot on review. My only complaint is that the shock valving is way off for heavier riders, even with the large air sleeve. My shock is at PUSH right now. The bike is very versatile. Obviously, it rides the rough stuff very well but I also find that I can compete with my weight weenie ht riding friends on smooth single track as well. The only time they pull away is on sustained smooth climbs where the light bike wins out.
You are spot on on the climbing, comparing the RIP to the AIR. Owning both, the thing I like most about the AIR is how explosively fast it climbs and can accelerate around here. I give it up a little bit on the downs, having to thread and pick the smoother lines, whereas the RIP is just like a Baja 1000 race vehicle on the downs, point and shoot, it just goes up and over, taking the big hits and keeps on going, On a rougher XC race course, the RIP just might keep you in the running for a shot at the podium.
 

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Obviously, it rides the rough stuff very well but I also find that I can compete with my weight weenie ht riding friends on smooth single track as well. The only time they pull away is on sustained smooth climbs where the light bike wins out.
But then again, that's what the JET 9 is for....in terms of keeping up with the HT's on the climbs:D

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But then again, that's what the JET 9 is for....in terms of keeping up with the HT's on the climbs:D

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I had the Jet and it is more xc than the RIP but weight wise, is not light. I would rather have the RIP and a light 29er HT.
 

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Hope you guys see the fine points of the review, as the Rip9 is a great do it all bike. I had taken the bike up to Whistler BC, with the hopes of flogging it on the big trails up there, but that did not work out. I had to do all the testing in NorCal, on our 'big' trails. I'm a XC rider, and not a big gnar rider. In the recent year, I've come to really appreciate a All-Mountain bike. I bought a GF Hifi29 18mos ago, and really started to understand the speed I had been missing on certain DH sections. That bike is nice, but not plush on the travel, and too flexy. Keep in mind I'm 155lbs, but push my bikes really hard.

My normal rides are One9 and a Sir9 before that. I sold the Sir9 because of too much flex, for me. I have had the One9 for 2 years now, and it is super bike. I do wish for more frame stiffness, and maybe that's where the Carbon9 comes in. :D

In reviewing the Rip9, you really have to keep in mind what type of bike it is. On my One9(33x20), no hill is ever too steep(too long and steep, yes, but rarely too steep), and I can virtually hop up on anything. The acceleration is unmatched. On the Rip9, I can sit and spin up the steep and long, and then let go of the brakes, hang on for dear life on the downhills. The 4.5" on it feels a lot like 6" on a 26er. I ride my HT so hard, often with a rigid fork, that a ~3-4" FS isn't any faster for me. The Rip9 is enough of a change, and has enough travel, that I can really enjoy the difference over the HT. I find myself constantly steering TOWARDS rocks and roots, in order to launch off them. It is too much fun.

The Rip9 is really well matched for me, and my weight. As mentioned earlier, the Fox RP23 shocks really can't handle the heavier riders very well, or at least as well as the middle of the range weights. When you have to pump up the shock so much to get the sag where you want it, the compression curve is not very good. I did not test this on the RIP9, but I have set up many bikes for heavier riders and the results are very similar, regardless of suspension design. PUSH will be able to help a little. A DHX air with boost valve would maybe go a long way to help with the last part of the compression ramp. The Niner boys would know much better than I would how the different shocks match up on the Rip9.

If you live in an area that has some rocks and/or elevation, the Rip9 is really hard to pass up.
 

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Hope you guys see the fine points of the review, as the Rip9 is a great do it all bike. I had taken the bike up to Whistler BC, with the hopes of flogging it on the big trails up there, but that did not work out. I had to do all the testing in NorCal, on our 'big' trails. I'm a XC rider, and not a big gnar rider. In the recent year, I've come to really appreciate a All-Mountain bike. I bought a GF Hifi29 18mos ago, and really started to understand the speed I had been missing on certain DH sections. That bike is nice, but not plush on the travel, and too flexy. Keep in mind I'm 155lbs, but push my bikes really hard.

My normal rides are One9 and a Sir9 before that. I sold the Sir9 because of too much flex, for me. I have had the One9 for 2 years now, and it is super bike. I do wish for more frame stiffness, and maybe that's where the Carbon9 comes in. :D

In reviewing the Rip9, you really have to keep in mind what type of bike it is. On my One9(33x20), no hill is ever too steep(too long and steep, yes, but rarely too steep), and I can virtually hop up on anything. The acceleration is unmatched. On the Rip9, I can sit and spin up the steep and long, and then let go of the brakes, hang on for dear life on the downhills. The 4.5" on it feels a lot like 6" on a 26er. I ride my HT so hard, often with a rigid fork, that a ~3-4" FS isn't any faster for me. The Rip9 is enough of a change, and has enough travel, that I can really enjoy the difference over the HT. I find myself constantly steering TOWARDS rocks and roots, in order to launch off them. It is too much fun.

The Rip9 is really well matched for me, and my weight. As mentioned earlier, the Fox RP23 shocks really can't handle the heavier riders very well, or at least as well as the middle of the range weights. When you have to pump up the shock so much to get the sag where you want it, the compression curve is not very good. I did not test this on the RIP9, but I have set up many bikes for heavier riders and the results are very similar, regardless of suspension design. PUSH will be able to help a little. A DHX air with boost valve would maybe go a long way to help with the last part of the compression ramp. The Niner boys would know much better than I would how the different shocks match up on the Rip9.

If you live in an area that has some rocks and/or elevation, the Rip9 is really hard to pass up.
The boys at Push know exactly what is going on with the shock and suspension. In short, the CVA, DW and other short link designs are so efficient that the shock needs very little compression tuning. A low compression tune and a lower psi brings out the best in the aforementioned suspension designs.
 

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I had the Jet and it is more xc than the RIP but weight wise, is not light. I would rather have the RIP and a light 29er HT.
Hey, are you calling my old size XL JET 9 which weighed 24.9 lbs as shown fat?:cool:



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Compare your bike to a ht with the same build. You are looking at approx. 22-23lbs.
Take off the suspension fork - add Niner carbon fork - lose two chainrings - now you are talking 18 pounds.

AIR9's as pictured 18 pounds. The AIR9 M with green saddle and carbon matching fork was 17.69 pounds as pictured fully geared.

RIP9 as pictured just about 30 pounds.

JET9 built race 25 pounds.

Different horses for different courses.

The JET9 for sure has a place on those days I want to go fast for 4 or 5 hours on a lightweight wheelset. I had mine built up at 25 pounds even with Stans "race" wheel set and I can't wait until March when she gets built up under the stiffer chassis. The combo of the stiffer hydro formed tubing, 1.5 tapered head tube and rear end forgings will give it roughly 1 pound lower weight that the RIP9 and steeper HTA for quicker xc riding/racing.

The tang AIR9 is currently my winter bike. It is doing super fast rides linking pavement sections to dirt level 5 or 6 roads linking singletrack then roads home. It flies.

The RIP9 is the bike for the chunky trails, or when I have under 2.5 hours and I want to ride primarily dirt fast. Build it light and it's a great do everything bike and the three words which come up are stiff - smooth - efficient.

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I put a High Volume can on my RP23, easy to do. Vastly improved the mid stroke and end stroke for full travel on my RIP. 240 pounds, wet to ride, 230 psi in the big can. 150 pounds psi in the stock RP23 can. With it's 2:1 rocker ratio, the RIP responds well to the high volume can if you reach over 190 or 200 pounds riding weight, preventing the air pressure ramp up you get with the stock can.
 

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Compare your bike to a ht with the same build. You are looking at approx. 22-23lbs.
True. But I would be on a HT.:nono: :p

At my height and weight - two, three, four pounds of extra overall bike weight makes no difference at all at the finish line in terms of where I place and at the level I compete. I race my Dos Niner at 23 and change, so I know. My potential divorce build on the JET would have weighed 22 and change (not bad for an XL size fully). However, the wife said "NO!" to the custom race wheels and the Formula R1 brakes which put the kabosh on my dream build at this time last year when I was building up my first JET.

Brett - nice collection of toys you've got there.:thumbsup:

Take off the suspension fork - add Niner carbon fork - lose two chainrings - now you are talking 18 pounds.


I've got a road bike for that.:D

Now, now. Don't forget I'm 48 with a pair of well used kidneys and typical back issues of a tall thin man. I have pretty much had to shelve my rigid Karate Monkey because of that.

I am looking forward to the new tubing on the JET 9 and the tapered steerer fork/headtube solely based on how much I love all of that on my new RIP. The RIP is such a fun bike that is only being hampered at the moment by all this white stuff we keep getting on the ground.:madman:



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True. But I would be on a HT.:nono: :p

At my height and weight - two, three, four pounds of extra overall bike weight makes no difference at all at the finish line in terms of where I place and at the level I compete. I race my Dos Niner at 23 and change, so I know. My potential divorce build on the JET would have weighed 22 and change (not bad for an XL size fully). However, the wife said "NO!" to the custom race wheels and the Formula R1 brakes which put the kabosh on my dream build at this time last year when I was building up my first JET.

Brett - nice collection of toys you've got there.:thumbsup:

Take off the suspension fork - add Niner carbon fork - lose two chainrings - now you are talking 18 pounds.


I've got a road bike for that.:D
If I had unlimited funds, I would own a RIP, Jet and a ht. As of now, I am trying to cover more bases with 2 bikes instead of 3 and the RIP and ht accomplish this.
Now, now. Don't forget I'm 48 with a pair of well used kidneys and typical back issues of a tall thin man. I have pretty much had to shelve my rigid Karate Monkey because of that.

I am looking forward to the new tubing on the JET 9 and the tapered steerer fork/headtube solely based on how much I love all of that on my new RIP. The RIP is such a fun bike that is only being hampered at the moment by all this white stuff we keep getting on the ground.:madman:



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If I had unlimited funds, I would own the RIP, Jet and AIR. As of now, I am trying to cover more bases with the RIP and a ht.
 

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If I had unlimited funds, I would own the RIP, Jet and AIR. As of now, I am trying to cover more bases with the RIP and a ht.
I have thought about this alot, I do have the resources to have what you listed, but not sure it is worth it.........I have 27.3 pound rip and 19.7 pound one nine with 100mm front suspension fork.....Brett just said the jet 9 will be one pound lighter than the rip, which means the new frame has probably gained .1 to .2 lbs in weight.........I could loose about a pound in rotating weight by building up a set of stans 29er race wheelsets with 15mm front axle and running maxxis (500g)aspen tires, over my current stans 355 with king hubs and (600g)crossmark tires on the rip.......so i am prob just gonna have a weight weenie wheelset for racing the rip on more technical courses, and use the one 9 on less tech courses, I could probably conclude an air 9 carbon setup 1X10 would be a better fit b/n the rip and one 9 than the jet 9 ?? Then with the versatiliy of the air 9 carbon kind makes the one 9 obsolete, so might take my dt swiss fork from the one 9 to put on the air 9 carbon and have a rigid one 9 , who knows ??
 

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I have thought about this alot, I do have the resources to have what you listed, but not sure it is worth it.........I have 27.3 pound rip and 19.7 pound one nine with 100mm front suspension fork.....Brett just said the jet 9 will be one pound lighter than the rip, which means the new frame has probably gained .1 to .2 lbs in weight.........I could loose about a pound in rotating weight by building up a set of stans 29er race wheelsets with 15mm front axle and running maxxis (500g)aspen tires, over my current stans 355 with king hubs and (600g)crossmark tires on the rip.......so i am prob just gonna have a weight weenie wheelset for racing the rip on more technical courses, and use the one 9 on less tech courses, I could probably conclude an air 9 carbon setup 1X10 would be a better fit b/n the rip and one 9 than the jet 9 ?? Then with the versatiliy of the air 9 carbon kind makes the one 9 obsolete, so might take my dt swiss fork from the one 9 to put on the air 9 carbon and have a rigid one 9 , who knows ??
I would love to keep my RIP as an only bike and stop saving for that ht. My wheels are King /Arch with 700g tires. I wonder if significantly lighter wheels would make the RIP feel much different for xc rides.
 

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no doubt lighter wheel/tire would make it feel quicker and more responsive......a pound of rotating weight you can feel, a pound of frame weight you prob can't.....i would argue a superlight built rip on a fairly technical course is prob a bit faster than jet, a course where you don't feel a full susp is needed air 9 is prob faster........but this has been debated adnauseum......i jut do this for fun, and i def feel like the rip is more fun in most situations, the jet can feel faster and more flickable, but that is more feel than actual lap times.....80mm travel just aint much.....
 

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no doubt lighter wheel/tire would make it feel quicker and more responsive......a pound of rotating weight you can feel, a pound of frame weight you prob can't.....i would argue a superlight built rip on a fairly technical course is prob a bit faster than jet, a course where you don't feel a full susp is needed air 9 is prob faster........but this has been debated adnauseum......i jut do this for fun, and i def feel like the rip is more fun in most situations, the jet can feel faster and more flickable, but that is more feel than actual lap times.....80mm travel just aint much.....
I would 2nd that.
 
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