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Here is the response from the Colorado State Patrol regarding the ban on road bike events larger than 2500 participants.

Dear concerned citizen:

We have recently received your email/letter regarding our new policy to
cap the number of participants to 2,500 per timed special events on State
highways.

The principal reason for this action is to ensure the safety of cyclists
and motorists as they continue to share more time on Colorado's roadways.
We must also have a span of control that is beneficial to the
participants, members of the motoring public, and our agency. After
numerous consultations with civic leaders and cyclists (racing and
tourists) in and around the metro area, and knowing what our own
limitations are concerning safe escorts for special events, we have
concluded a cap of 2,500 participants meets the needs of those who
regulate and promote most cycling tours and races. As our resources are
based on the number of registered participants, and as the number of
unregistered riders continues to increase, a breakdown in safety occurs,
which we will not compromise.

Please note that this policy does not pertain to events in incorporated
cities. This policy punishes no entity, as promoters are not limited in the
number
of events they wish to sponsor. With the exception of two events in
Colorado that are run on Colorado highways, the rest of the races and
tours have a cap limit or number of registered participants that is below
the threshold of 2,500.

Thank you for your correspondence. We look forward to continuing our
support of cycling and other outdoor recreation activities in Colorado,
and hope you will do your part to promote safe riding.

Should you have any further questions/comments, please contact the
Colorado State Patrol Public Affairs Office at:
[email protected].

Sergeant Jeff Goodwin
Public Affairs Section
Denver Headquarters
700 Kipling Street, Suite 1100
Denver, CO 80215-5865
Office - 303-239-4574
Cell - 303-961-2935
 

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Did anyone catch the segment of 9News last night at 10pm? The trooper they interviewed gave two reasons for the cap:

1. Drunk drivers targeting cyclist
2. Someone once threw tacks on the road in an attempt to give bikers flats

Wow, what a compelling argument. Even my wife who isn't a huge biker and NEVER rides the road was outraged that the police would enforce a cap when the problems are drivers, not cyclist.
 

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Jdub said:
2. Someone once threw tacks on the road in an attempt to give bikers flats
Doh! I'd still like to catch the f***ing hillbilly who did that. What an @sshole.

I was one of the lucky ones who made it through that section of the Triple Bypass without a flat - but I can only imagine how much fun it would be to sit on the side of the road and patch a double flat @ 6am with 116 miles to go.
 

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I did see the story. My wife's comments were, why don't they go after the drunk drivers and idiots throwing tacks on the road instead of punishing the cyclist.

Nice to see a fellow Okie transplant on the boards! You get back there much? If so where do you ride?
 

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phamilton said:
I did see the story. My wife's comments were, why don't they go after the drunk drivers and idiots throwing tacks on the road instead of punishing the cyclist.

Nice to see a fellow Okie transplant on the boards! You get back there much? If so where do you ride?
I agree with your wife, its not the cyclist who are at fault (at least in the officer's examples).

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We don't get back to OK very much at all anymore, my sister moved to Westminster so now we just do family gatherings out here. We are going back to OK in a couple weeks though to see some friends and family around Christmas.

I lived in OK for 28 years, so I pretty much have ridden everywhere. I lived 1 mile from Turkey Mtn in Tulsa for 6 years before moving here, so I hit that a lot. Roman Nose, NuDraper, Bluff Creek, Tahlequa, Clear Bay, McMurtry, etc...
 

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Look at it this way....
Let's say that Elephant Rock caps the registration at 2500 people. Who is going to stop you from going out and riding the same route, on the same day, without paying or having a number pinned to your back? All you have to say is "I didn't know that this was going on" They cant give you a ticket for riding on a public road. Hell, you are a tax payer and have every right to be on the road as any other taxpayer.

How is the CSP going to stop everyone who is riding down the road with no number? They have put no thought into this at all. They were talking about the student section at the CU-Nebraska game last week (having to clear that area out) and the city of Boulder have 70 police officers for 55,000 people attending the game. There is no way they see even half of anything going on.

This is just another knee jerk reaction from somebody who was pissed they had to wait an extra 2 minutes for a ride to go past thier house they built in the country. Needless to say, the ride probably went past thier house long before they even lived there.

The other story that I have heard was that CSP does not care how many people are in a ride as long as it stays in the same county it starts in. If Elephant Rock could find a way to do all thier loops within Douglas County, the CSP could not touch it since it does not leave the county and the Douglas County Sheriff's would have to do the work. CSP is only reacting to rides that go from county to county.

It is still BOOLSH!T if you ask me though

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Sounds like, looks like, smells like....

Gee, the CSP must be using the same PR folks that the Bush Crime Family uses.
Too bad they don't have everyone on the same page, talking-points wise, though.

Too wit:
"State Patrol Sgt. Jeff Goodwin, who works out of Public Affairs office in Denver, said this was a patrol policy, and the event organizers would never be invited to help set such guidelines. Goodwin added that the 2,500-bike limit was not an arbitrary number, as the organization Bicycle Colorado is accusing on its website."

That was in the Summit Daily News -- and it seems to conflict with what Trooper Goodwin states in his 'fatherly' letter --

"After numerous consultations with civic leaders and cyclists (racing and
tourists) in and around the metro area, and knowing what our own
limitations are concerning safe escorts for special events, we have
concluded a cap of 2,500 participants meets the needs of those who
regulate and promote most cycling tours and races."

Fascinating....I wonder what the REAL reason is -- afterall, the CSP supports us bikers.
Maybe they got wind of a "terrorist" plot to target any bike rides in Colorado over 2,500 riders.
I certainly wouldn't put it past Darth Cheney, that's for sure -- he has no love for anything that doesn't run on old dinosaurs.

Happy Trails!

LokiBoy

"In the end -- EVERYthing is a gag."
Charlie Chaplin
 

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Problem is...

yetirich said:
Look at it this way....
Let's say that Elephant Rock caps the registration at 2500 people. Who is going to stop you from going out and riding the same route, on the same day, without paying or having a number pinned to your back? All you have to say is "I didn't know that this was going on" They cant give you a ticket for riding on a public road. Hell, you are a tax payer and have every right to be on the road as any other taxpayer.
...there won't be an E Rock with a 2500 person cap. Economics don't work. Same with a lot of the big rides. Even the smaller ones are all gearing up to get bigger, presumably in the 2500+ ballpark.

My guess is that this will get fixed. It'll get political and get negotiated and the police will probably get some bigger slice of the pie for their services for these events and it'll all keep rolling on. 1) Too many people are involved. 2) Too much money is involved. 3) Charity is involved. Oh, and 4) The state police's cap is arbitrary and unreasonable.

It's not about safety, it's about them getting more budget during a budget crunch. They ain't gonna get it through the normal channels these days, so they create this big headline. It'll get fixed I'm sure. S
 

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I was talking to some fellow cyclist last night and the MS150 ride came up. That ride crosses into multiple counties and raises a TON of money. I would think the MS150 folks will have something to say about this, at least the lawyers will. :D

This thing is far from over.
 

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Uh, am I the only one who thinks that 2500 riders is a pretty big event. Would 2,500 of anything else be allowed an organized parade around our state roads?

2,500 motos?
2,500 skateboards?
2,500 horse-drawn buggies?
 

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How about the Harley Santa ride from Aspen Grove to Childrens Hospital. They had a promo on the radio and said that the first bike will get to the hospital before the last bike leaves Aspen Grove. That is a 12 mile length that is shut down to traffic...it goes to a great cause but still ties up traffic much more than a bike ride does.

Far from over......
 

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What I want to know is

what is CSP's jurisdiction in all of this ... what is going to be not permitted ...is it not supposed to be on highways or county roads ... I am not so sure about all of that? BTW it is totally bull**it thing to ban cycling events or cap them at 2500 ...land of the free thank god i am here for that !!!!
 

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Cycling News

This story has made it to Cycling News today. You can find it on the First Edition link. At this point I guessing CSP is wishing they would have never made this statement. What a PR nightmare! Won't help the contributions to the Policeman's Ball either. :p
 

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phamilton said:
This story has made it to Cycling News today. You can find it on the First Edition link. At this point I guessing CSP is wishing they would have never made this statement. What a PR nightmare! Won't help the contributions to the Policeman's Ball either. :p
Yeah, but I bet the cycling related violations/tickets will "mysteriously" skyrocket :D
 

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Contact your reps

If you are against the ban ....

Make sure to copy your state reps and senators on any e-mails you send. I sent the preformatted e-mail on the Bicycle Colorado site to the state patrol and copied my reps. I actually got a response back from my state senator saying he appreciated my input and would 'voice my concerns' whenever he had the opportunity. BTW, that is Bob Bacon from FC. This is not the first time my family has sent him something via e-mail to voice our opinion and he has responded every time. Classy guy.

-j
 

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Letter I sent to my Reps (FWIW)

Subject: CSP Bicycle Event Participant Cap

Gentlemen,

I am very concerned about the Colorado State Patrol's cap on bicycle events at 2,500 riders or less. The CSP developed this rule without adequate stakeholder participation and without obvious cause for the limitation.

This cap will damage local economies through the loss of tourism spending in the host communities for these events, curtail charitable fund raising done by these events and limit worthwhile recreational opportunities for all of us. Further, the CSP has truly failed to incorporate the contributions of local police and sheriffs' departments to the safety of these events in the CSP's calculation of officer to participant ratios.

Please work to reopen the discussion about any necessary caps for these events. This discussion must incorporate all stakeholders including local community leaders, legislative officials, cycling organizations, tourism organizations, involved charities, local public safety officials, etc.

Ultimately we must have rational policies created in an open collaboration.

Sincerely,
 
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