all you need to do is open up the MoCo assembly and pop out the pop loc return spring. you can either use the pop lock dial and turn by hand for compression or get teh regular comp adjust knob.
Reba without poploc????
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I can't find it...so here goes:
I'm fed up with Fox forks and thinking of switching from my F100X to a Reba Race/Team. I just want a black reba without poploc and without brake bosses? So far it seems like this doesn't exist!
So my question is, if I get one with poploc, I understand I can convert it to non-poploc. Does anyone know where I can get the part to do this and how much does it cost?
climr
I'm fed up with Fox forks and thinking of switching from my F100X to a Reba Race/Team. I just want a black reba without poploc and without brake bosses? So far it seems like this doesn't exist!
So my question is, if I get one with poploc, I understand I can convert it to non-poploc. Does anyone know where I can get the part to do this and how much does it cost?
climr
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going non-poploc
You make it sound so easy. I have Poploc and wish I didn't. Just give me the dial on top of the crown. I've heard others say it's a PITA and you have to replace a buncha stuff down in the right fork leg. You say it's just a piece of cake. Have you done it?fiddy_ryder said:all you need to do is open up the MoCo assembly and pop out the pop loc return spring. you can either use the pop lock dial and turn by hand for compression or get teh regular comp adjust knob.
it's one of the easiest things to do
All you need to make it real easy is a pair external snap-ring pliers and a 24mm socket from Sears... I drove to a Home depot and 2 or 3 auto parts stores to no avail to find that 24mm socket... by the way, the 24mm socket is for a 1/2" ratchet, so you may need to get a 3/8"-1/2" socket adapter if all you have is a 3/8" ratchet. The cartridge unscrews easily and you just carefully wiggle it out of the fork. It IS as easy as it sounds.
Maybe you can find someone to trade with. Or maybe you can figure out how to get that spring off of yours once you remove it.
It's funny you bring this up, because fiddy_rider and I just traded internals for this reason... he had poploc, I didn't, so we removed the MC cartridges and simply traded.xcguy said:You make it sound so easy. I have Poploc and wish I didn't. Just give me the dial on top of the crown. I've heard others say it's a PITA and you have to replace a buncha stuff down in the right fork leg. You say it's just a piece of cake. Have you done it?
All you need to make it real easy is a pair external snap-ring pliers and a 24mm socket from Sears... I drove to a Home depot and 2 or 3 auto parts stores to no avail to find that 24mm socket... by the way, the 24mm socket is for a 1/2" ratchet, so you may need to get a 3/8"-1/2" socket adapter if all you have is a 3/8" ratchet. The cartridge unscrews easily and you just carefully wiggle it out of the fork. It IS as easy as it sounds.
Maybe you can find someone to trade with. Or maybe you can figure out how to get that spring off of yours once you remove it.
You can find someone to swap with like we did.,, everyone gets what they want. or you can modify it and remove the pop loc.
you can remove the spring easily. Ive spoken to a few people about this already.remove the moco assembly. the black top cap and red body come apart, they have a left handed thread. so right to loosen and left to tighten. the spring is held in place by a little pin and its own tension, it will come unwound when you pull the black top and red body apart. you just have to be sure to orient the comp valving (youll see the little lines that line up the notch on the valve) at the bottom when you put it all back together.
you can remove the spring easily. Ive spoken to a few people about this already.remove the moco assembly. the black top cap and red body come apart, they have a left handed thread. so right to loosen and left to tighten. the spring is held in place by a little pin and its own tension, it will come unwound when you pull the black top and red body apart. you just have to be sure to orient the comp valving (youll see the little lines that line up the notch on the valve) at the bottom when you put it all back together.
Easier solution.........
Just buy the "SL" version which doesn't come with the Pop-Lock, simple as that. The PopLock is the main difference bettwen a REBA SL & RACE, weight difference is negligble if any.
Just buy the "SL" version which doesn't come with the Pop-Lock, simple as that. The PopLock is the main difference bettwen a REBA SL & RACE, weight difference is negligble if any.
Better double check that... my Race came without the poploc. It's the Team that has the poploc and a slightly lighter crown.
Hum thought that was the main difference between them - my friends came with popo-lock Either way I don't see the fuss, you can get them with or without pop-lock, just order what you really want, keep the warranty and don't have to go "modifying " any internals. Somewhere on the www must have it or else your local shop can order it for you.Rich A. said:Better double check that... my Race came without the poploc. It's the Team that has the poploc and a slightly lighter crown.
I'm considering getting a race or team with poploc - what is it you don't like about it?xcguy said:You make it sound so easy. I have Poploc and wish I didn't. Just give me the dial on top of the crown. I've heard others say it's a PITA and you have to replace a buncha stuff down in the right fork leg. You say it's just a piece of cake. Have you done it?
Hold up a sec gentlemen.....
The POPLOC is an OPTION on ALL the Reba forks, it is not standard from the World Cup down to the SL. They all have to be ordered specifically with the Poploc option. So there are non-Poploc Rebas out there. It's just that the models with Poploc sell better above the SL model. So keep shopping, you'll find one. So non-Poploc Rebas are harder to find.
By the way, Universal Cycles, www.universalcycles.com carries the Race without the poploc option.
Good Dirt
The POPLOC is an OPTION on ALL the Reba forks, it is not standard from the World Cup down to the SL. They all have to be ordered specifically with the Poploc option. So there are non-Poploc Rebas out there. It's just that the models with Poploc sell better above the SL model. So keep shopping, you'll find one. So non-Poploc Rebas are harder to find.
By the way, Universal Cycles, www.universalcycles.com carries the Race without the poploc option.
Good Dirt
to poploc or not
With Poploc (handlebar mounted) the stand-and-hammer guy can instantly lock out his fork if that's what he wants, or instantly half-lock out his fork, whatever. Well, that's great but to fine-tune the amount of compression damping you get you have to mess with the little blue knob then crank down the Poploc lever. There you are, at that setting. Want to fine-tune some more? Then you have to unlock the Poploc lever, mess with the little blue dial, then lock the Poplock lever again. For the way I ride having the crown-mounted knob is just easier. And the whole fork weighs less without the Poploc assembly. And you have less handlebar clutter.
I'm not the kind of rider who is always standing and hammering, which would cause almost any fork except a rigid to bob. I like to fine-tune how my fork is performing during hard braking, slower braking into corners, and yes, the occassional standing while pedalling. With a crown-mounted knob I can reach down and fine-tune at will, maybe now half compression damping on, maybe now more or less.DirtDummy said:I'm considering getting a race or team with poploc - what is it you don't like about it?
With Poploc (handlebar mounted) the stand-and-hammer guy can instantly lock out his fork if that's what he wants, or instantly half-lock out his fork, whatever. Well, that's great but to fine-tune the amount of compression damping you get you have to mess with the little blue knob then crank down the Poploc lever. There you are, at that setting. Want to fine-tune some more? Then you have to unlock the Poploc lever, mess with the little blue dial, then lock the Poplock lever again. For the way I ride having the crown-mounted knob is just easier. And the whole fork weighs less without the Poploc assembly. And you have less handlebar clutter.
standard Poploc vs. remote poploc
I've got a message in my email inbox from Squish, but can't find it here on this thread, buy I'm gonna comment anyway. Poploc to me is the thingy I mounted on my handlebar to control the compression damping like I stated above. If it's not something mounted on the handlebar, I would imagine that you'd just have a knob controlling compression damping mounted on the top of your fork crown, just a knob, no springs or blue knobs. Squish says that ALL Rebas (I'm not simultaneously looking at his message) come with Poploc, you gotta order the REMOTE to mount it on your bars. Well, if it's not mounted on your bars, where the heck is it mounted and still be Poploc? Color me confused, and I have 3 Rebas.
I've got a message in my email inbox from Squish, but can't find it here on this thread, buy I'm gonna comment anyway. Poploc to me is the thingy I mounted on my handlebar to control the compression damping like I stated above. If it's not something mounted on the handlebar, I would imagine that you'd just have a knob controlling compression damping mounted on the top of your fork crown, just a knob, no springs or blue knobs. Squish says that ALL Rebas (I'm not simultaneously looking at his message) come with Poploc, you gotta order the REMOTE to mount it on your bars. Well, if it's not mounted on your bars, where the heck is it mounted and still be Poploc? Color me confused, and I have 3 Rebas.
Squis is correct....
technically all Rebas (current models anyway) come with poploc. There are two knobs atop the right leg that control it's function. A large blue knob that controls the compression damping and lock out, and a smaller silver knob that controls the blow off for the lock out. Thus the name Pop (blow off) Loc (lock out).
The remote replaces the knobs with a cap and cable and a handle bar mounted lever (and some other internal hardware) that moves the function to the lever location (usually the handle bar).
So, yes the Reba comes with Poploc standard, the Poploc Remote is an option. If you order the option at the time that you order the fork from RS or a supplier it comes installed on the fork and to change it you have to order the original knobs etc. from RS if you want to go non-remote. The same if you order your fork without the remote. You'd get the knobs and have to order the Poploc remote kit to convert to the remote.
It is confusing as many retailers have decided that it is easier to just say that a fork with the poploc remote just comes "with poploc", and just not mention the poploc at all for Rebas that don't have the remote. Why I don't know. Maybe they pay by the word for their the material on their websites. But because of this most folks have come to think that if you don't have the remote you don't have poploc. Not so of course, but a perception once ingrained is hard to change.
Anyway, Squish is correct, the poploc is standard on all 06 Rebas (don't know about earlier models) and the Poploc Remote is an option that must be ordered.
Good Dirt
technically all Rebas (current models anyway) come with poploc. There are two knobs atop the right leg that control it's function. A large blue knob that controls the compression damping and lock out, and a smaller silver knob that controls the blow off for the lock out. Thus the name Pop (blow off) Loc (lock out).
The remote replaces the knobs with a cap and cable and a handle bar mounted lever (and some other internal hardware) that moves the function to the lever location (usually the handle bar).
So, yes the Reba comes with Poploc standard, the Poploc Remote is an option. If you order the option at the time that you order the fork from RS or a supplier it comes installed on the fork and to change it you have to order the original knobs etc. from RS if you want to go non-remote. The same if you order your fork without the remote. You'd get the knobs and have to order the Poploc remote kit to convert to the remote.
It is confusing as many retailers have decided that it is easier to just say that a fork with the poploc remote just comes "with poploc", and just not mention the poploc at all for Rebas that don't have the remote. Why I don't know. Maybe they pay by the word for their the material on their websites. But because of this most folks have come to think that if you don't have the remote you don't have poploc. Not so of course, but a perception once ingrained is hard to change.
Anyway, Squish is correct, the poploc is standard on all 06 Rebas (don't know about earlier models) and the Poploc Remote is an option that must be ordered.
Good Dirt
so if you buy one that has the remote and you don't want the remote, you should just be able to disconnect it and use the crown mounted controls right? Then what's with people having to swap internals to get rid of their remotes but still have crown mounted compression adjustment? Was this with pre-06 models?
all is not as it seems
When I ordered the '05 Team I actually didn't know it had "Poploc Remote". So now I have the ability on the handlebars to lock out the fork, etc (activating the compression damping, what Rockshox calls "motion control"). As I've said, I don't like it as much as the "crown mounted adjuster" that adjusts the "motion control (which I call compression damping)".
It seems from the posts on this thread that a guy could get into the internals of that right fork leg, do some slight of hand, take out that spring, somehow acquire the correct "crown mounted adjuster" dial and have the same compression damping as my SLs.
But, for now, I'm locking and unlocking my Team fork all the time just to see what the big deal is with a locked out fork. If I finally just decide I do not want the handlebar clutter maybe I'll try to modify it, but...to answer your question...no, it's not that you just unhook it and voila! you've got a crown mounted adjuster...it might be easy once you get in there but I haven't tried yet. I find it's never easy trying to do something on a bike that I haven't done before. Tools, patience, doing it correctly...hey, I have an LBS for that. Then you have to get the correct dial that mounts on the crown. And, regardless of what the website says, maybe the '06s are completely different than the '05s, but I doubt it. Still...
For now, when I ride my Team fork I look down and say, gee, look at the Poploc dial I have on my bars (the word remote never enters my mind). When I ride my SL forks I look down and see my compression damping knob on the right crown and say, there's the way that I adjust my compression damping (not, look, there's the Poploc down there on my fork crown). Still confused? I think I'm going to go ride one or the other of my Rebas. By the way, they're great forks. You need to get one.
I feel your pain and confusion climr. I have 3 Rebas, all '05. The two SLs don't have what I call Poploc (that remote thingy on the bars). They have a dial (yes, it has some blue color around it's circumference) on the right fork leg crown that I can turn to dial up the compression damping all the way to lockout (the manual calls it the "crown mounted adjuster)--it's not spring loaded like the Poploc Remote assembly is. When you have that Remote thing there's a spring inside the right fork leg which springloads the Poploc dial so when you hit the "release" button it snaps back to unlocked. Within this same crown is the adjustment for the floodgate (it's internally accessible with an allen wrench on my SLs, externally adjustable with my fingers on the Team) which adjusts how much pressure is required to blow past the lockedout fork and have travel, but that's really another issue. I never knew that Rockshox referred to that compression damping dial as Poploc. In fact, I still don't know that. Any mention in the manual of Poploc shows that handlebar mounted thingy. Go onto the Rockshox website and read the owners manual for the '06 Rebas.climr said:so if you buy one that has the remote and you don't want the remote, you should just be able to disconnect it and use the crown mounted controls right? Then what's with people having to swap internals to get rid of their remotes but still have crown mounted compression adjustment? Was this with pre-06 models?
When I ordered the '05 Team I actually didn't know it had "Poploc Remote". So now I have the ability on the handlebars to lock out the fork, etc (activating the compression damping, what Rockshox calls "motion control"). As I've said, I don't like it as much as the "crown mounted adjuster" that adjusts the "motion control (which I call compression damping)".
It seems from the posts on this thread that a guy could get into the internals of that right fork leg, do some slight of hand, take out that spring, somehow acquire the correct "crown mounted adjuster" dial and have the same compression damping as my SLs.
But, for now, I'm locking and unlocking my Team fork all the time just to see what the big deal is with a locked out fork. If I finally just decide I do not want the handlebar clutter maybe I'll try to modify it, but...to answer your question...no, it's not that you just unhook it and voila! you've got a crown mounted adjuster...it might be easy once you get in there but I haven't tried yet. I find it's never easy trying to do something on a bike that I haven't done before. Tools, patience, doing it correctly...hey, I have an LBS for that. Then you have to get the correct dial that mounts on the crown. And, regardless of what the website says, maybe the '06s are completely different than the '05s, but I doubt it. Still...
For now, when I ride my Team fork I look down and say, gee, look at the Poploc dial I have on my bars (the word remote never enters my mind). When I ride my SL forks I look down and see my compression damping knob on the right crown and say, there's the way that I adjust my compression damping (not, look, there's the Poploc down there on my fork crown). Still confused? I think I'm going to go ride one or the other of my Rebas. By the way, they're great forks. You need to get one.
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