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Well, it finally happen to somebody....Had not even ridden it yet when it happen. First ride was Ouachita Challenge and I had no problems (from the fork anyway). Fork felt fine for the entire 63 miles.

How bad is it fork gurus? I know nothing about these things...(I never even adjusted the gate control or knew exactly what it did)

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drev-il, not Dr. Evil!
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A little late for this, but try installing two crown races on your fork. As long as the top one is tight, it should be ok.
 

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wolfy said:
It's only a flesh wound.
so you are telling me its... "naught dead yet"...maybe soon it will be..."feelin bettta"

Damn you...that movie will be in my head for the rest of the weekend...

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lanpope said:
Well, it finally happen to somebody....Had not even ridden it yet when it happen. First ride was Ouachita Challenge and I had no problems (from the fork anyway). Fork felt fine for the entire 63 miles.

How bad is it fork gurus? I know nothing about these things...(I never even adjusted the gate control or knew exactly what it did)

LP
ah, flood gate/slud-gate...who needs it???

related: cane creek makes a HS with a really tall lower cup...prevents the issue you had. will post photo later of it on my 292.
 

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So the only damage is that gate control? Be very happy that your IF downtube is unscathed! Ditch the external gate control knob and get the internal one. There's a dust cover and then a hex bolt adjustment underneath. I filed the shite outta the dust cover till it cleared my downtube. Done and done. I never plan on using the gate anyway. I like my lockout locked out. S
 

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Ha ha!

No, it just doesn't look that bad in the pic. Is the dial inoperable?

-M

ps I have a friend who says, "Sum day Laad. All this'll be yours!" Every time we hike or climb up to a high place. My line is, well, you know.
 

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ncj01 said:
ah, flood gate/slud-gate...who needs it???

related: cane creek makes a HS with a really tall lower cup...prevents the issue you had. will post photo later of it on my 292.
Interested...Is it the Solos...
 

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wolfy said:
Ha ha!

No, it just doesn't look that bad in the pic. Is the dial inoperable?

-M

ps I have a friend who says, "Sum day Laad. All this'll be yours!" Every time we hike or climb up to a high place. My line is, well, you know.
The dial and the lock out still work fine, but it does leak oil pretty badly if I turn the fork just right (over). Just discovered that today...I think I am going to have to get in there and have a look.

How exactly does the flood gate control connect to the internals of the fork?

I just realized I am officially in over my head...too long on rigid forks. The last susser I had was a '98 Manitou SX-R...they're all <b>pretty much</B> the same right?

..."What the curtains"...

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BThor said:
come on lanpope suck it up.....flip the lever over and ride it rigid....
I talked to my buddy today that rode with me some at OC and he was giving me hell. Stuff like.."you always said you didn't like those things...its all coming back to you now...you talked bad about them for so long...blah blah blah"

Maybe he was right..

I got chainsuck like crazy when I was over there too. Just too much of a change from the old way...

Maybe I should fire my mechanic!
 

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Interested...Is it the Solos...
This will knock out a lot of clearance problems:

<img border=1 src="https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/867718/80943223-DSC_0018.JPG">
 

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Had same problem

I had the same problem. You'll probably have to send it back to Rock Shox/SRAM. You can probably get a replacment valve for around $60. You'll have to get it through Rock Shox though. I changed mine from the Race to the SL valve and it's fine. The Gate valve just adjusts the sensitivity of the motion control blowoff. I just adjust mine (via 2.5mm allen) to course conditions and forget about it. changing from full time to lockout/Motion Control is enough. You already have to figure out 1. positive pressure, 2. negative pressure, 3. rebound ( of which I'd think would be more beneficial than Motion control blow off ) 4. then the suspention lockout it's self . . . almost make you not to even ride.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=86252

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=89954
 

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Hexonxonx said:
I had the same problem. You'll probably have to send it back to Rock Shox/SRAM. You can probably get a replacment valve for around $60. You'll have to get it through Rock Shox though. I changed mine from the Race to the SL valve and it's fine. The Gate valve just adjusts the sensitivity of the motion control blowoff. I just adjust mine (via 2.5mm allen) to course conditions and forget about it. changing from full time to lockout/Motion Control is enough. You already have to figure out 1. positive pressure, 2. negative pressure, 3. rebound ( of which I'd think would be more beneficial than Motion control blow off ) 4. then the suspention lockout it's self . . . almost make you not to even ride.

https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=86252

https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=89954
Thanks - that is just the info I was looking for.

As you can see from the below pic, I just barely hit the DT with the gate knob (I actually shattered the cable housing when it happened, so I think the housing actually took off the knob), so I think converting the fork to an internally adjustable gate will work perfect.



Ok I have a few questions:

(from the link above)
If you take the Gate knob off, and the lockout ring off you will notice the spindle for the gate knob goes down inside the fork.
<b>Do you think I have broken off this spindle? And if so, do you know what the remedy is?</b>

(from above link)
It think that part might retail for around $70. I don't think I'd dremel it because that knob holds the adjustment spindle up, and I can't really tell you what would happen if your oil will leak through it or not.
<b>I discovered today that oil does leak through once the gate knob is knocked off. This concerns me and I am just not sure what will need to be replaced with respect to this "adjustment spindle". Is the below what you are saying the adjustment spindle piece is:</b>



Any further insight on this would be great.

Thanks guys -

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ncj01, where'd you get that? I NEED it!

Hey that is a fine looking lower headset race-where did you get it? I really could use that exact piece. I talked to the cane creek guys and they said they made a bunch for Jamis awhile back, not sure if they had anymore. I tried (halfheartedly) to find the jamis phone # but came up a bit empty. But that is exactly what I need for exactly the same problem. Any chance there's another one out there somewhere?
 

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Take it to your LBS, Have QBP Shock Treatment Fix it

Your local shop can send it to Q' and have it fixed for a reasonable price. As for fixing the problem, I can't see it happening soon, as fork manufacturers do not think about the frame during the design process. Unfortunate, so we have half assed solutions like taller cups and crown races. Fun, to say the least.
 

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Yep thats the piece



Any further insight on this would be great.

Thanks guys -

LP[/QUOTE]

That's all one piece . . . well pictured is the Race unit that I sent back, the SL is the same except it doesn't have the gate adj. knob, but instead a dust cap . . . You have to replace that whole unit. It looks like that spindle is broken off for sure. The good news is It's real easy to replace, The bad news is finding a part my not be that easy. I've heard though Rock Shox/SRAM are more than happy to help, at lest they were in my case and had a part to me in 2days. also don't send back that c-clip, or the lockout ring, or the little rubber wash below the lockout ring because they just send the bare essentials. I'd get the "SL" Motion Control unit instead of the "Race". I've adjusted it once, and left it. I figure since I don't . . . if ever again . . adjust it, it's better off protected in the fork. You might actually have to do both, get the internal, plus 2 fork crown races, or a head set with more stack height by the looks of it, but that's hard to tell.
 

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That's all one piece . . . well pictured is the Race unit that I sent back, the SL is the same except it doesn't have the gate adj. knob, but instead a dust cap . . . You have to replace that whole unit. It looks like that spindle is broken off for sure. The good news is It's real easy to replace, The bad news is finding a part my not be that easy. I've heard though Rock Shox/SRAM are more than happy to help, at lest they were in my case and had a part to me in 2days. also don't send back that c-clip, or the lockout ring, or the little rubber wash below the lockout ring because they just send the bare essentials. I'd get the "SL" Motion Control unit instead of the "Race". I've adjusted it once, and left it. I figure since I don't . . . if ever again . . adjust it, it's better off protected in the fork. You might actually have to do both, get the internal, plus 2 fork crown races, or a head set with more stack height by the looks of it, but that's hard to tell.
Thanks for the advice. That is exactly the info I was looking for.

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Shaved down shim under race

Drevil said:
A little late for this, but try installing two crown races on your fork. As long as the top one is tight, it should be ok.
I did the same thing to mine to help clear the pop lock. I pulled and shaved it a couple of times, and ended up with about 3mm of shim. The Reba seemed to have a long section of area that will allow you to press both and still have a good interference fit.
 
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