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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Well, here's the final results of the raw Dirtbag rebuild I started a few weeks back. I think she turned out pretty good looking:D

Specs:

2007 Dirtbag / size large / Stripped Raw
2007 Roco TST-R (Works treatment done by Ronnie at Zoke)
2008 888 RC3 (Works treatment)
Sunline integrated 888 stem
Chris King 1.5 Evolution headset
2008 Avid Code brakes (Waiting on Dangerboy blades)
2008 Diabolus Crankset
2007 X.9 Shifters
2007 X.0 Rear Derailleur
2007 X-Gen Front Derailleur
Blackspire Stinger Chain Guide
Mavic ex823's laced to Chris King hubs with 2.0/1.8/2.0 double butted spokes, stainless steel drive shell and heavy duty rear axle on rear hub.
Diety Handlebars
Diabolus Seatpost (Waiting on new Thomson 30.0)
Clydesdale Bike Gear Deraileur Skid Plate
Maxxis Minion 2.7/2.5 tires
BMW Shinburger Pedals (Waiting on the next run of BMW Vegiburgers)

As it sits, its 44lbs, with the new pedals and post it should be around 42.5.
 

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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Looks great bro, very clean. That derailleur guard is hardcore. Very brutal, to the point, function, and raw, metaphorically. :thumbsup:
 

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do you have any trail time on that new 888?
i'm really curious about some real rider feedback.

feel free to PM me if you feel like rambling a bit and don't want to clog up your porn oriented thread :)
 
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blender said:
do you have any trail time on that new 888?
i'm really curious about some real rider feedback.
Yeah, I have about 100 miles on it so far in the past 2 weeks. Just did 32 miles of DH on it today, gotta love the 80 degree weather in AZ when its snowing everywhere else:D

The fork is amazing. Out of the box it was as plush as my 06 Works RC2X. I tore it down and did a oil change after the first 2 rides and did the Works treatment to it. (PTFE Teflon additive with the oil). It uses a TON of oil. The RC2X was 225cc per leg, the RC3 is 315cc per leg. Basically it takes a quart and a half to do an oil change.

It is insanely stiff and tracks great through the really gnarly rocky stuff. I am a big guy at 6'3" and 245lbs and I didn't have to change the spring (The RC3 only has 1 spring) and am only running 2 clicks of preload, so you lighter guys will probably have to change the stock spring for a softer one.

The new RC3 cartridge works great. The single adjustment which does both high and low speed compression together gives the fork a much more balanced feel over the independent adjustments of the RC2X which were sometimes tough to get working in tandem. The RC3 is very progressive and ramps up smoothly through its travel.

Other things to note is that the 7.5lb "estimated weight" Marzocchi gives you is total crap as always. Mine with a uncut steerer was 8.1lbs, it really is a modern day Monster T:D
Also, so far it doesn't seem to be suffering from the same bushing issues that the new 66's are. I personally have seen 7 brand new 08 66 World Cup ATA's go back to Marzocchi because after 20 or so miles they had massive amounts of bushing slop in the lowers. So far so good with the 888 (crosses fingers).

The turning radius is a little wider with the new fork also since they increased the stantions to 38mm without increasing the actual width of the fork. Not a huge difference, but I have noticed it on tight switch backs that I used to clean on my RC2X that I have to swing it a little wider.

So far I am loving this fork. I wouldn't bother wasting the extra money on the ATA or the World Cup unless you really have a need to shave the weight for racing.

combatkimura said:
Where do I order the Clydesdale Bike Gear Deraileur Skid Plate from?
Its made by a couple guys I ride with, they are going to be selling them online (I am actually doing their website right now, should be done in a week or so). They run $79 for the full kit, with the CNC bracket, mounting hardware and ballistic skid plate which is basically the cost of replacing a X.9 derailleur. I have been running this prototype for a year in the rocks of AZ and it has done wonders saving my X.0. I havn't even bent a hanger in a year.:thumbsup:

If you want to order one, you can get them through my LBS right now which is Cactus Bike.

www.cactusbike.com

Just call them and ask to talk to Fish, he can hook you up.

Also, if you break the plate, its only $10 to replace it, so its a good chunk of protection back there.
 

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Great rebuild there, nice to see another Dirtbag with an 888 on it. I hadn't heard that about the new 66s, kinda funny since this is the first year all Marzocchi production is in Taiwan...
 

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thanks for the feedback dude..
I'm a bit lighter than you, so I'm worried about the fork feeling like an anchor on my bike. Do you really find the weight to be a downside? Can you still pull up and manual or hop the bike? Does it feel nose heavy in the air?
 
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carbuncle said:
Great rebuild there, nice to see another Dirtbag with an 888 on it. I hadn't heard that about the new 66s, kinda funny since this is the first year all Marzocchi production is in Taiwan...
I have always run a 888 on my Dirtbag's, both my old 05 and now this one. They feel great together:thumbsup:

I don't think its a Taiwan thing, I think its a 66 thing. The 07 SL ATA 66 had a bad rep for having mis-cast lowers which would cause them to bind up. Which is why even though the 08 66 looks like a beefy fork, for the $100 more i'll take the 888.

blender said:
thanks for the feedback dude..
I'm a bit lighter than you, so I'm worried about the fork feeling like an anchor on my bike. Do you really find the weight to be a downside? Can you still pull up and manual or hop the bike? Does it feel nose heavy in the air?
I do notice when just picking the bike up that it does feel heavier up front than it did with the RC2X on it, but when I am riding it I haven't noticed a difference. The bike still feels great and jumps just as good as it always has. Also I can get the front up and crank through stuff just like before. As for manual's, I can't give you an opinion, I have never been able to manual a full suspension bike very well.
 
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Hey Six, is it me or does that Roco seem taller overall than my '06 DB's Swinger 4-way SPV? Is that due to a slight change in leverage ratio and/or pivot location? I know the linkages are different between the '06 and '07 frames as well.
 
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Dr Phil mmkay said:
Hey Six, is it me or does that Roco seem taller overall than my '06 DB's Swinger 4-way SPV? Is that due to a slight change in leverage ratio and/or pivot location? I know the linkages are different between the '06 and '07 frames as well.

It is the exact same size shock, 7.87x2.25. I think it looks bigger because the lower shock mount is moved and the top tube is straight instead of bent which gives the 07's a better stand over height and makes the front triangle look a little smaller.
 
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No prob, I don't think the leverage ratio changed from 06 to 07 either.

On a side note, I am retracting my partial review of the new 888 RC3 I posted above. I was riding in Sedona AZ yesterday on some slick rock and off a 4 1/2 foot drop and blew the dampening rod retaining nut out of the bottom of the fork causing it to piss all 315cc of oil out all over the ground:madman:

I am doing an autopsy on it today to determine if it was a production error of not tightening that nut down from the factory or if the nut actually stripped out of the lowers. Either way, I am not happy with Marzocchi right now.:madmax:
 

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Damn Dude

Sorry to hear that dude. I hope Zoke hooks you up and you are not off the trail for that long.
 
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wookie freeride said:
Sorry to hear that dude. I hope Zoke hooks you up and you are not off the trail for that long.

Zoke has already kept me off the trail for 2 of the last 5 months with blown Roco's. My TST coil on the Dirtbag blew in Moab in November and it took 3 weeks to get back, then my Roco Air-R on my Preston blew and it took a month to get back. Now this. I wish they would just get their crap together. Their quality control is starting to make Rock Shox look great.

On the other downer of the weekend, while putting my Roco-R back on the Preston yesterday morning I noticed a little line on the CNC yolk of the swingarm, turned out to be a decent size crack in the exact same place my 05 Dirtbag broke. Waiting for my LBS to get ahold of Tranny this morning and I am sure they will take care of it, but still, just one thing after another:madman:
 

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That is F ing crazy

Man......That is some bad luck. Best wishes 666! At least you have already been contacting Zoke. Sounds like they should know you by name. We have been having a lot of issues with Zoke here in VA. Everything from the standard...no oil, to compression adjusters locking, and a Roco Tst that just took a crap.


Sounds like an epidemic. I am sure they will make it right, It just sucks to see a rider go through so much time and energy, and MONEY, building great bikes with great components...only to have them fail from the manufacturers end...I thought were were past that phase is this sport. But I digress....

666......All things considered, that is still one of the sickest Dirtbag builds out there....So.....Stay stoked.:cornut:


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Yeah, I really thought it was just Virginian luck ;)

Just buy a Vivid and a Boxxer and call it a day. I've been hearing from a lot of people that Marz suspensions perform great when they're in one piece...which tells me it's either hit of miss with them. It's a shame you had to go through all that. Though it would be a different matter if you cheaped out. Being put off by a product you spent a significant amount of money on really blows.

:nono: goes to Marz for shortsightedness on their quality control.
 
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