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Ranger Gina says PQ is open; the DMM fire road is closed to protect the vernal pools (I had not realized that "vernal pool" == "puddle", silly me) but the north and south trails are good.
Sycamore and Wagon Wheel crossings are open although care is needed to avoid wet feet. Little Wimea is good.

There are temporary bridges on the horse trail from PQ to I-15, the TCT is in good shape.
Further east, TW trails are rutted but very rideable (for XC at least).
 

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S:Drive said:
Or park at the end of Camino del Sur by the Mobile gas station, and ride the tunnels! They are in great shape! The other 10+ riders there yesterday could vouch for it too!
Brilliant :thumbsup:

Planning on robbing any banks while you are at it? It is probably a good place to post it too!

Change your post.
 

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Jeezuz Christ, some people just CAN'T keep their f***ing pieholes shut, can they? :madman:
Does it make you feel like a big guy to stick it to The Man and then boast about it here? How about you stick it to The Man QUIETLY?
 

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sdcadbiker said:
Jeezuz Christ, some people just CAN'T keep their f***ing pieholes shut, can they? :madman:
Does it make you feel like a big guy to stick it to The Man and then boast about it here? How about you stick it to The Man QUIETLY?
You know I usually don't say much about this sort of thing but I will now. Oliver and S:drive, you two morons need to STFU. Do you two twits not realize that the people who want mountain bikes restricted from that area will surely read what you have posted here? They watch these forums and use your blatant disregard for authority as ammo against the rest of us who want to ride those trails legaly. Do you want fences to go up? Patrols? Tickets? It is one thing to poach but bragging about it here reflects poorly on all mountain bikers. Please edit your posts.
 

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sdcadbiker said:
Jeezuz Christ, some people just CAN'T keep their f***ing pieholes shut, can they? :madman:
Does it make you feel like a big guy to stick it to The Man and then boast about it here? How about you stick it to The Man QUIETLY?
Work on your issues, while I work on riding all the tunnel trails! :D
 

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OK, bad analogy, I'll give you that.

But understand this. These are currenly closed areas. We all know where the trails are. Why the hell would you openly post that you are poaching trails that are being fought over? What possible good can come of it?

I am not passing judgement (read your pm), I would just think you would have the common sense not to publicly post your activities. Do you really think it will have no consequences? Just post responsibly. That is all I, and others, are asking.
 

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At first glance, I would agree that we don’t need to advertise the riding of trails illegally, but what exactly ARE the consequences? I don’t think anybody really knows. Sure, some conjecture that it may negatively impact future legal access, but why? Is it because the folks sitting across the negotiating table are telling us this?

If we play the nice guys, might we just finish last? What do we have in the way of leverage, anyway? Might Civil Disobedience in the form of open defiance be our most effective leverage, as well as a legitimate and possibly the most successful strategy? Wouldn’t Civil Disobedience and open defiance be more successful with more trail users, especially trail users who are responsible citizens, with families, careers and who own homes locally?

Eventually, the LM wants to establish control of the area. Is the threat or use of Force the most effective and efficient strategy for the LM to gain control? Are threats and the use of Force just negotiating tactics? It seems that legalizing the status quo is the most beneficial outcome for trail users, and the most effective and efficient use of resources for the LM.

So, shouldn’t all parties to the negotiation know the status quo?
 

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I want the tunnels as bad as everyone else. If you want to write about it, then contact your local representatives. Since these are public boards it is very easy to hit the print button and now a simple post becomes ammunition for the other side. Don't believe it?

The post below is about the Carrizo Gorge. The train tracks are currently abandoned. It is a very scenic ride. Yet somebody posted the dates of the rides and the railroad police magically appeared and issued trespassing tickets when in the past there was little or no enforcement.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=478548&highlight=carrizo+gorge

About half way down....

Busted!!! Well sorta...

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There's a lesson here boys and girls. If you're planning on riding Carrizo Gorge DO NOT advertise it on MTBR.

They were waiting for us this morning at Dos Cebezas (driving a military surplus OD Green Blazer by the way) to issue us an "Order to Stay Away from Premises". Here's my my own personal one for your viewing pleasure.


All I am asking for is common sense when posting. I have seen it posted here before and laughed every time I see it but the statement is "Fight Club rules".

If you don't know, watch the movie. It will make sense.
 

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BB quote: "I want legal trails as bad as everyone else. If you want to write about it, then contact your local representatives. Since these are public boards it is very easy to hit the print button and now a simple post becomes ammunition for the other side. Don't believe it?"

How effective do you suppose the posts in question will be as ammunition, and as ammunition for what, reinforcing the closure of a closed trail?

BB quote: "The post below is about the Carrizo Gorge. The train tracks are currently abandoned. It is a very scenic ride. Yet somebody posted the dates of the rides and the railroad police magically appeared and issued trespassing tickets when in the past there was little or no enforcement."

Heh! That would be funny if someone started posting up fictitious rides. That'll wear 'em down.

BB quote: "All I am asking for is common sense when posting. I have seen it posted here before and laughed every time I see it but the statement is "Fight Club rules".

You're suggesting we model our behavior based on the movies?
 
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