in your tubes??? I thought it was only for tubeless hence notubes.com???
Putting Stan's in tubes for 24 hr race?....
It has been advised to me that I use slime tubes OR put stan's sealant in my tubes.
If I use stan's, how much should I put in each tube? Does it work well?
I've read terrible things about the slime tubes.
Any other advice? Thanks!
If I use stan's, how much should I put in each tube? Does it work well?
I've read terrible things about the slime tubes.
Any other advice? Thanks!
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Me too. But I've seen too many people have dumb issues with tubeless in general.mrrp said:I thought it was only for tubeless hence notubes.com???
I've been told putting stans in tubes works well to prevent puncture flats, but I am wondering how much to use....
c'mon Jubilee...
Feel free to say that I'm the idiot that has put stans into tubes
I use stan's tubeless when I can, and I've had no problems with it. But, I like to use mutanoraptors, and I have a 2.5 weirwolf, on my fronts, none of which are recommended to use with stans tubeless. And I ride in areas with cacti. So, rather then use slime sealant, I prefer to use stans. It works well as a sealant. I use about 1/3 to 1/2 of what I would add to a tubeless system.
If I had more money, I'd use the tufo sealant. That stuff is money...
Feel free to say that I'm the idiot that has put stans into tubes
I use stan's tubeless when I can, and I've had no problems with it. But, I like to use mutanoraptors, and I have a 2.5 weirwolf, on my fronts, none of which are recommended to use with stans tubeless. And I ride in areas with cacti. So, rather then use slime sealant, I prefer to use stans. It works well as a sealant. I use about 1/3 to 1/2 of what I would add to a tubeless system.
If I had more money, I'd use the tufo sealant. That stuff is money...
Slime seals tubes....Stans seals tires.
Stan's is way over priced, and you can add Slime, or other tube sealant products to already dry tubes at a fraction of the cost. Stan is just the guy who invented the highest known $$ markup of latex known to mankind - outside if the porn industry.
Got it?
Perhaps you confused the advice? Use either slime tubes, or runs Stan's No Tubes System (rim strip or tape, special valve & latex) in either regular MTB tires or UST. If you are careful in sharp, rocky terrain you should be able to get by with Stan's System in non-UST tires. Works like a charm in most places - including deserts with thorns and goatheads.jubilee said:It has been advised to me that I use slime tubes OR put stan's sealant in my tubes.
If I use stan's, how much should I put in each tube? Does it work well?
I've read terrible things about the slime tubes.
Any other advice? Thanks!
Stan's is way over priced, and you can add Slime, or other tube sealant products to already dry tubes at a fraction of the cost. Stan is just the guy who invented the highest known $$ markup of latex known to mankind - outside if the porn industry.
Got it?
You're not the only idiot!sportsman said:c'mon Jubilee...
Feel free to say that I'm the idiot that has put stans into tubes
I use stan's tubeless when I can, and I've had no problems with it. But, I like to use mutanoraptors, and I have a 2.5 weirwolf, on my fronts, none of which are recommended to use with stans tubeless. And I ride in areas with cacti. So, rather then use slime sealant, I prefer to use stans. It works well as a sealant. I use about 1/3 to 1/2 of what I would add to a tubeless system.
If I had more money, I'd use the tufo sealant. That stuff is money...
On the stan's chat board one of the guys recommended injecting it into the tube with a livestock syringe rather than cutting the tube and patching. Said the stans would plug the needle hole.
Stans = tubeless
This year I got a 29er. Did the first race with tubes, and would ya know it? First flat in years. Despite all the horror stories, a Stan's conversion with WTB tires fixed that problem.
Stans is great stuff. I highly recommend it, whether as an added measure to UST tires or a tubeless conversion with standard tires (but wire bead only in the 29er conversions). But if you have an affinity for tubes that you just can't get over, Specialized airlock tubes are damn near bulletproof for about 6 months in dry climates.
True story here. I've been competing along time...starting using Stans (as extra protection in UST tires) in '02. Went 3 years without a flat in a race, including several 24s. My riding covers the southwest, so plenty o rocks & cacti.jubilee said:It has been advised to me that I use slime tubes OR put stan's sealant in my tubes.
If I use stan's, how much should I put in each tube? Does it work well?
I've read terrible things about the slime tubes.
Any other advice? Thanks!
This year I got a 29er. Did the first race with tubes, and would ya know it? First flat in years. Despite all the horror stories, a Stan's conversion with WTB tires fixed that problem.
Stans is great stuff. I highly recommend it, whether as an added measure to UST tires or a tubeless conversion with standard tires (but wire bead only in the 29er conversions). But if you have an affinity for tubes that you just can't get over, Specialized airlock tubes are damn near bulletproof for about 6 months in dry climates.
Thanks!hairball_dh said:But if you have an affinity for tubes that you just can't get over, Specialized airlock tubes are damn near bulletproof for about 6 months in dry climates.
I would suggest thinking twice about using Stans.
I know from experience that Stan's causes some Tires to delaminate. I've seen it happen with Kendas. The last thing you want in a 24hr is to have your tire shred from the inside out!
I suggest simply carrying some type of CO2/sealant for emergencies and running a dedicated Tubeless wheel and tire.
I know from experience that Stan's causes some Tires to delaminate. I've seen it happen with Kendas. The last thing you want in a 24hr is to have your tire shred from the inside out!
I suggest simply carrying some type of CO2/sealant for emergencies and running a dedicated Tubeless wheel and tire.
I took a look at the Specialized website and they make a sealant that they recommend putting in tubes.Scottytheoneandonly said:I would suggest thinking twice about using Stans.
I know from experience that Stan's causes some Tires to delaminate. I've seen it happen with Kendas. The last thing you want in a 24hr is to have your tire shred from the inside out!
I suggest simply carrying some type of CO2/sealant for emergencies and running a dedicated Tubeless wheel and tire.
Anyone know about that stuff?
Love Stan's, works great.
Mike
Mike
It is unlikely that you will finish two laps of this course without a good helping of sealant in your tire or tube. Less likely that you will finish a night lap.
Planning on using something, just not sure what at this point.....sportsman said:It is unlikely that you will finish two laps of this course without a good helping of sealant in your tire or tube. Less likely that you will finish a night lap.
Looking pretty hard at the Specialized thick tubes with sealant already in them....
This is a tough decision for me. Haven't had a flat on a ride all season, so I've had no cause to stray from tried and true cheap-o tubes.
what course?
The HR certainly rose, but the tires didn't change one iota. Lasted the rest of the race no problem. That was with Stans inside of UST tires.
Not sure what course we're talking about...but an addendum to the previous story...a couple years ago at Old Pueblo, during a midnight pass gone wrong, I found myself with the displeasing proposition of heading into a 4 or 5 foot tall bushy prickly pear cactus. There was no time to stop by the time my slowing faculties registered it's presence. Of course I made an attempt at a bunny hop...yeah right! I hit that thingwith both wheels, surely taking on a thousand needles to each tire.sportsman said:It is unlikely that you will finish two laps of this course without a good helping of sealant in your tire or tube. Less likely that you will finish a night lap.
The HR certainly rose, but the tires didn't change one iota. Lasted the rest of the race no problem. That was with Stans inside of UST tires.
ha hahairball_dh said:Not sure what course we're talking about...but an addendum to the previous story...a couple years ago at Old Pueblo, during a midnight pass gone wrong, I found myself with the displeasing proposition of heading into a 4 or 5 foot tall bushy prickly pear cactus. There was no time to stop by the time my slowing faculties registered it's presence. Of course I made an attempt at a bunny hop...yeah right! I hit that thingwith both wheels, surely taking on a thousand needles to each tire.
The HR certainly rose, but the tires didn't change one iota. Lasted the rest of the race no problem. That was with Stans inside of UST tires.
Not to laugh at your poor luck, but two years ago the same happened to me. During a night lap, three guys came up behind me and asked to get by, I picked a spot, moved over to the right, after the third guy I moved back into the trail, but a 4th (silent) guy was coming through and he gave me a hand in the back to keep me off the trail. I went right through a choya cactus. I was using the slime light tubes, which for the first 10 hours had proven perfect, but this overcame their sealing abilities.
I changed both tubes, but unfortunately my spare tubes were regular tubes that were flat in 10 minutes and then I was running to complete the lap. This is why I recommend that if you make sure any spare tubes you use in this course have sealant in them.
Last year, I rolled the stan's system, and other than a burp at the end of the first lap (didn't flat, just got squishy) I had no problems with my tires. Brakes on the other hand...
Slime lite
If you do want to run tubes, but are worried about thorns, slime now make a slime light tyre (< 150g).
If you do want to run tubes, but are worried about thorns, slime now make a slime light tyre (< 150g).
I've used stans on 2.35" tires mounted to Rhino Lite XL rims on a 5.5" travel dualie, as well as on my hardtail with skinny racing tires in long races.Scottytheoneandonly said:I would suggest thinking twice about using Stans.
I know from experience that Stan's causes some Tires to delaminate. I've seen it happen with Kendas. The last thing you want in a 24hr is to have your tire shred from the inside out!
I suggest simply carrying some type of CO2/sealant for emergencies and running a dedicated Tubeless wheel and tire.
No problems, and I ride Kenda tires 80% of the time.
I ran Kharma DTC's for the first in a solo 24 hour race and then in the Vermont 50 (the same set). The 50 was dry, the 24 was horrible; mud, rain, and rockgardens galore. Running Stans i had no flats, and no issues with the tires at all. In the 50, I got a 1cm x 1 cm right-angle gash in the tire, and no sealant on earth could have sealed it... It was my mistake for using race-light tires for a 2nd race after the misserable conditions they rolled thru for 24 hours. Broke the seal, dropped in a tube, and was back rolling.
I should also add that I run the tires/sealant on the stan's Olympic rims. In additional disclosure, I should mention that I work in a bike shop and do all sorts of tech/testing with products we use/sell.
Stan's is expensive for what you're getting, but compared to other sealants I've tried it simply works better. I'd rather give my $ to a startup company with a good product than follow the flock and use Slime. Slime is horribly messy (same with Tufo), and doesn't work all that well in a full 1/2 of the applications I've tried. If you have an already leaky tubeless setup, I find that it doesn't stop the slow leaks. I'm going to test some of these problematic wheels with Stan's when the weather warms a bit.
All in all, I've been very pleased w/ Stan's over the course of 3 seasons of use. I Don't think it is better than a simple tubed setup, but when weight/speed is everything, Stan's is the only way to be.
Huh? All I run are Kenda tires with Stan's, both Nevegals and Karma DTCs. I have worn out plenty of them, but never had one delaminate as a result of Stan's sealant.
Stan's has saved several races for me. Since using it, I have not had a flat in a race situation, though I've torn sidewalls on a few WTBs that, while the Stans still did its thing and sealed the rips, I booted and tubed the tires for piece of mind.
Stan's has saved several races for me. Since using it, I have not had a flat in a race situation, though I've torn sidewalls on a few WTBs that, while the Stans still did its thing and sealed the rips, I booted and tubed the tires for piece of mind.
Scottytheoneandonly said:I would suggest thinking twice about using Stans.
I know from experience that Stan's causes some Tires to delaminate. I've seen it happen with Kendas. The last thing you want in a 24hr is to have your tire shred from the inside out!
I suggest simply carrying some type of CO2/sealant for emergencies and running a dedicated Tubeless wheel and tire.
have you considered...
Pennzoil's fix a flat for bikes, I think it is meant for when you get a flat but I'm sure you could inflate your tires using this stuff - it's my understanding that the can has an attachment that attaches to your valve tube.
I haven't used it, but I'm trying to find it here in Canada.
Pennzoil's fix a flat for bikes, I think it is meant for when you get a flat but I'm sure you could inflate your tires using this stuff - it's my understanding that the can has an attachment that attaches to your valve tube.
I haven't used it, but I'm trying to find it here in Canada.
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