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Can anyone clearly explain the the difference between 10 clicks of low speed compression and 10 clicks of floodgate? I know on RS forks the Floodgate controls the blowoff on the Motion Control. So does that mean the standard RT is default of always on MoCo? On the surface I understand it, but the more I think about it I don't quite get the real world difference.

Any ride reports? I would gather guys with VPP type susp. would get the RT over the RT3 and Horst link and SP susp would get the RT3.

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Sorry I can't answer your ? directly, but if nobody chimes in just call PUSH, somebody there will answer your questions in detail.
 

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The RT shock that we offer still retains a highly preloaded low speed stack which gives a "platform" effect. The RT-AM is the same shock but without the preloaded valving. Preloaded valving is what creates the threshold, or "platform" damping that has to be overcome in order for the shock to move.

RT = Platform dmaping adjust
RT = No Platform, low speed bypass adjust

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Too bad you have to wait 9 years to get one. My time of arrival went from "within a week" to..."looks like its gonna be 3 more weeks, guy". Probably should have just sent my AFR in to Spesh and had S-Tune take care of it...
 

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Was thinking of getting either one for my stumpy fsr, I doubt it's worth fixing the triad(maybe you are in the same boat OP)... As i also understand there is only one permanent tune for the platform dampening on the RT, vs the RT-3 which has on the fly adjustment. I rarely ran the triad on pro-pedal with the horst style, if it's the low-speed compression adjustment on the RT-AM maybe you can get by with it for longer rides?
 

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Too bad you have to wait 9 years to get one. My time of arrival went from "within a week" to..."looks like its gonna be 3 more weeks, guy". Probably should have just sent my AFR in to Spesh and had S-Tune take care of it...
Ooooohh, back to the end of the line with you.
 

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Ooooohh, back to the end of the line with you.
Which is BS as the words that came out of the sales reps mouth was "your shock doesnt require the machining work for it to fit on your particular frame, so you'll be in the first shipment". Weak.
 

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Darren, So do I undersand it correctly that on the RT with the floodgate the platform is always on just varing degrees of platform dampening.

I am asking this because when I spoke with Eric @ push he suggested the RT and mentioned the 10 clicks of LSC. He used to ride my local trail so he has a direct understanding of what the trails I ride are like and what is ideal setup would be. I gotta say it is nice to not have to try to describe what it is like to ride around here.

electrik,I am looking to replace my RP23 on my marin.
 

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Darren, So do I undersand it correctly that on the RT with the floodgate the platform is always on just varing degrees of platform dampening.

I am asking this because when I spoke with Eric @ push he suggested the RT and mentioned the 10 clicks of LSC. He used to ride my local trail so he has a direct understanding of what the trails I ride are like and what is ideal setup would be. I gotta say it is nice to not have to try to describe what it is like to ride around here.

electrik,I am looking to replace my RP23 on my marin.
From my understanding the RT comes in two versions - 10 position platform or LSC. 0 click open (no platform or LSC) each additional click adds platform or LSC. Frames / bike that currently don't rely on platform would benfit form LSC
 

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From my understanding the RT comes in two versions - 10 position platform or LSC. 0 click open (no platform or LSC) each additional click adds platform or LSC. Frames / bike that currently don't rely on platform would benfit form LSC
Such as VPP , DW, or in my case Quad Link bikes. This is what I gathered. Without having extened climbs or downhill sections it would make sense this would be a great option for me.

What exactly is the difference in LSC and a platform? I have been under the impression that a platform on a shock or fork is a type of LSC. Maybe slightly different, but I don't understand the difference. I am sure someone on here can explain it.
 

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Such as VPP , DW, or in my case Quad Link bikes. This is what I gathered. Without having extened climbs or downhill sections it would make sense this would be a great option for me.

What exactly is the difference in LSC and a platform? I have been under the impression that a platform on a shock or fork is a type of LSC. Maybe slightly different, but I don't understand the difference. I am sure someone on here can explain it.
I think it has to do w / oil flow timing & amount. Platform would give a higher resistance to flow @ initial shock movement where as LSC compression takes place over a larger range of movement. Most of the platform shocks I have ridden seem to have quite a bit of compression that is overcome by forces greater than pedalling. LSC isn't quite as noticeable pedaling but more so when small bumps are encountered. Again basically if you son't need a pedalling aid go LSC adjustable. shock
 

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So if the RT is gold knob is set at 1 out of the 10 clicks is the platform turned off?

"Most of the platform shocks I have ridden seem to have quite a bit of compression that is overcome by forces greater than pedalling. LSC isn't quite as noticeable pedaling but more so when small bumps are encountered" -Keen

Would you mind to elaborate please.

I use about 2 clicks of LSC on my fork and that seems enough to stop brake dive and most bobbing when out of the saddle. Well it stops it enught to not notice it. What do you mean that it is noticed more with small bumps are encountered? I can seem to understand the concept between the two but in application they seem to be very similar.

Thanks guys, I hope I don't come across as an ignorant idiot.
 

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Flboy said:
So if the RT is gold knob is set at 1 out of the 10 clicks is the platform turned off?

"Most of the platform shocks I have ridden seem to have quite a bit of compression that is overcome by forces greater than pedalling. LSC isn't quite as noticeable pedaling but more so when small bumps are encountered" -Keen

Would you mind to elaborate please.

I use about 2 clicks of LSC on my fork and that seems enough to stop brake dive and most bobbing when out of the saddle. Well it stops it enught to not notice it. What do you mean that it is noticed more with small bumps are encountered? I can seem to understand the concept between the two but in application they seem to be very similar.

Thanks guys, I hope I don't come across as an ignorant idiot.
My RP23 w/ PP on feels quite stiff when pedalling but if I hit say a small jump the platform is overcome and the shock eats travel. My CCDB w/ quite a bit of LSC still has shock movement when pedalling but if I hit said small jump the LSC compression keep the rear from blowing thru the initial travel.
 

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Too bad you have to wait 9 years to get one. My time of arrival went from "within a week" to..."looks like its gonna be 3 more weeks, guy". Probably should have just sent my AFR in to Spesh and had S-Tune take care of it...
Did you get taken care of? If not, I'd like to know more about your situation. You can reach me at [email protected]

Okay....

PUSH Tuned Monarch RT. This shock is your typical "platform" damping type shock. "Propedal" and "Floodgate" are marketing terms for a type of LSC (Low Speed Compression) characteristic which features a threshold. So the valving of the shock is highly preloaded so that a force threshold has to be reached before the shock will begin moving. With the RT there are TWO preloaded compression circuits, one which is preset (piston), and one that is adjustable (external gold dial). By turning the compression dial clockwise, you increase the preload (threshold), or force required before the shock will compress.

PUSH Tuned RT-AM. This shock only has ONE preloaded compression circuit (piston), and the amount of preload is very light as to not create a threshold type characteristic. The external gold compression dial in this shock controls a free bleed bypass (oil that is allowed to flow past the piston shims) inside the shock. By turning the external adjuster you're reducing the amount of free bypass therefore increasing the low speed compression damping.

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Great info Darren!! I always wondered how Floodgate and Propedal compared...sounds like they pretty much the same! :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks Darren, so on the floodgate RT the LSC is set per the type of trail you ride and your weight. The gold knob controls the platform or when the shock breaks through into the preset LSC. On the RT-AM the LSC is still setup for you type of trails and weight, but you have control over the amount of LSC, however there is no thresehold to break through.

How do you know which RT you should go with? I live in FL where there are no extended anything other than pedaling. No long DH sections or climbs. We do have momentum building sections that seem to go down some and many short STEEP climbs. Nothing I can see or ever do flip a lever for. So how do I know to go Floodgate or LSC.

edit: Here in FL and I am sure a lot of other non-mountainous areas we pump the trail for everything we can get. This is our version of DH sections. Pumping is not pedaling!! RT or RT-AM?

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I called them on the phone and they were very helpful in placing a order. I went with the 2011 PUSH Tuned Monarch RT-AM Standard Volume Air Can. Explain what you are after and looking for and they will help you. I personally wanted a plush ride on my Specialized Enduro and did not care for the propedal since the bike pedals so well anyway. If I am going to do a bunch of uphill and cross country pedaling I can always put the Specialized shock back in if needed but I have a feeling it will never be used again.

Will be keeping a eye on this thread for others settings and comments as these get sent out. Ordered mine a couple weeks ago to save a spot in line but was told it could be a month or more before they receive another shipment. Will give my report when I get some time on it.
 

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Did you get taken care of? If not, I'd like to know more about your situation. You can reach me at [email protected]

Okay....

PUSH Tuned Monarch RT. This shock is your typical "platform" damping type shock. "Propedal" and "Floodgate" are marketing terms for a type of LSC (Low Speed Compression) characteristic which features a threshold. So the valving of the shock is highly preloaded so that a force threshold has to be reached before the shock will begin moving. With the RT there are TWO preloaded compression circuits, one which is preset (piston), and one that is adjustable (external gold dial). By turning the compression dial clockwise, you increase the preload (threshold), or force required before the shock will compress.

PUSH Tuned RT-AM. This shock only has ONE preloaded compression circuit (piston), and the amount of preload is very light as to not create a threshold type characteristic. The external gold compression dial in this shock controls a free bleed bypass (oil that is allowed to flow past the piston shims) inside the shock. By turning the external adjuster you're reducing the amount of free bypass therefore increasing the low speed compression damping.

Darren
I talked to Eric on Thursday and its all good in the hood. Thanks for the help! :thumbsup:
 
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