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last saturday afternoon at about 330 at whiting ranch, orange county- was cruising thru Whiting after hitting Louge back to the car and saw one- german shepard size, sandy in color, high-tailing it away from me down the trail. so I stopped instead of giving chase. figured that might not be the best idea...

makes a person feel a little lower on the food chain.

so, there ya go.
 

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let the park rangers know. This is the third time I've heard of a cougar sighting at Whiting this past couple of months.
 

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Hiked it about the Tues prior to Thanksgiving

trip to Cal from Idaho and didn't have my bike
me and my girlfreind hiked it. didn't see anything
but more deer than I've ever seen at the bottom of cactus going back towards Portola
probably a good thing.

what is the deal with mtn lion there, so far down the mountain fromt he Santa Anas?
Easy "prey"? (Scary)
 

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If there's a lot of deer there, then there's your answer most likely.

Hope people are smart out there after the last incident. There can't be too many of those cats left. It would be a shame to keep having to kill them off!
 
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we saw a bunch of deer in that area as well. just up the road from cooks corner.

i am sure there are big cats there. make sure if you ride in that area you take the appropriate precautions. i ride with a good sized knife handy and never ride alone. if you have to stop to fix a flat make sure there is someone else with you before you go stooping down and working on your bike.

safety in numbers is key.
 

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treadheadted said:
Why let the park rangers know? Why not just leave the cat be? We are intuders in their domain. I'm sure there are quite a few Pumas in Orange County, as well there should be. Do you think for one minute that a park ranger doesn't know that? If you're afraid of a little kitty, maybe you should take up road biking.
The rangers will let the cat be. They do ask that you report mt lion sightings to them. I assume so they can post signs at the park entrances indicating a sighting so that people can make a decision on whether they want to go into the park. For example a family with young children might choose to avoid the park or to keep their children in close proximity. The County will also close the park if there is a lion that is acting abnormally.
 

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In the first place, you don't have to tell the ranger at this point because he is on this forum regularly.
Secondly - I'm with you Pain, if I was responsible for maintaining a safe environment for the public in a wilderness type park, I would want to know of every lion sighting just so I knew how prevelant they were. If TreadHead doesn't want to be responsible enough to help with that effort, maybe he should take up bowling.
 

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Let's see, if you had a bunch of large cats traipsing through your house on bicycles, foot and horseback and they were part of your food chain and you were hungry, what would you do?

Sanitizing the outdoors for your protection is a ridiculous notion. If there is a hungry cat out there and nobody has seen them "acting abnormally", they'll still see a human as prey if they want to. The County is full of idiots if the park is closed just because a natural predator who has lived there for years was seen.

A road bike for you too.
I guess your reading comprehension is poor, because I said nothing about sanitizing. Sounds like you are just looking to pick a fight over this issue.
 

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It is mtn biking

I have had two encounters with the big cats and I think they are the most beautiful things I have ever seen. But yes I was scared. We are the intruders and should keep that in mind. I have not seen any sharks while I am surfing but hey I am in their kitchen.

Heads up all but it is the cats kitchen and we are lucky to see them, indicates some piece of a healthy ecosystem. I never report but do not see the harm.
 

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we saw a bunch of deer in that area as well. just up the road from cooks corner.

i am sure there are big cats there. make sure if you ride in that area you take the appropriate precautions. i ride with a good sized knife handy and never ride alone. if you have to stop to fix a flat make sure there is someone else with you before you go stooping down and working on your bike.

safety in numbers is key.
Saw five deer hanging out under the oaks at Whitting two weeks ago. Given the number of deer and other animals lions eat which wander the area, it's no wonder the lions follow. I've always riden with at least one buddy, and if we get too far apart on the trail we wait for eachother. I don't have much faith in a weapon though because I don't think I would get it out fast enough. Lions are pretty stealthy. If one is stalkling you, you probably wont now it till it's too late. And since their instinct is to kill with the first bite to the neck, I don't know how you could fight them off. In my mind it's better to just look like more trouble then you're worth, i.e. large groups.
 

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treadheadted said:
Your preaching about responsibility is a complete joke. Responsibility begins on a personal level and if some goober is not responsible enough to be aware of their surroundings anywhere, then Mr. Darwin can and will take the opportunity to glean them from the gene pool. Do you know how ridiculous using "wilderness" and "safe environment" in the same sentence makes you look? Have you ever even been to a real wilderness area? Can you even fathom the concept of wilderness? Here's a clue, the 401 in Crested Butte is not the wilderness. You're bowling, bowling me over with laughter at your contradictions. One last clue for you, the mountain lions will always be there in California because the lefties will make sure of that.

You get a road bike too.
I already have a road bike.
 

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I agree you're probably just looking for a fight, I'll still fill you in on why I say tell the rangers. Number one concern is for families with children which frequent the area a lot. Children would be high on a lions list as potential prey. And I don't believe the mountain lion has any more right to the area then any other living creature including myself . I'm more then willing to share the area with the cats,but when they start attacking humans I draw the line.

And I do own a road bike which I ride every week, sometimes hundreds of miles at a time. I talked with an emergency doctor back in April at Western Medical Center (who rides) and he told me that road bikers out number mountain bikers around 5:1 on visits to the emergency room, so if you're thinking road biking is safer or any easier, you are mistaken.
 
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the knife is there. i didn't say it would necessarly be easy to use it in a big cat attack! :)

to be honest i can reach the knife easily (it is on my left camel back strap) and deploy it within about 1.5 seconds. having a knife that handy is something that lots of people might scoff at but it is a very usefull tool in many situations (i am a diver too and wouldn't go in the water without a knife)

i would think that a mtn lion stalking me would notice that i am bigger and stronger than my riding partner (wife). if a cat were to attack it would probably be her (in all probability a cat wouldn't want anything to do with those crazy humans on two wheels while they are upright and pedaling, the attacks that i have heard of were when people were stooped next to the bike). if a cat got ahold of my wife i would be the crazy knife weilding/bike slinging human chasing after him. ;)
 

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Cats vs Guns

You probably have more to fear from God Fearin, Gun Totin, Rockin Rollin mountain bikers than you do from cats.
 

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You probably have more to fear from God Fearin, Gun Totin, Rockin Rollin mountain bikers than you do from cats.
Let's hope not. I'm pretty sure California is not a carrying state. But then again it's not the people who follow the rules you have to worry about.
 

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treadheadted said:
Sometimes the rules are what need to be worried about, especially when those rules allow for a large natural predator to be shot by an authorized official with a gun because they were acting normally in their habitat.
I can't think of any local instances where mountain lions were shot in an official capacity for acting "normally".

Reporting any lion sighting to the Rangers and Land Managers is a routine and desired course so others can be simply notified of the recent sighting. It also gives the Ranger the opportunity to interview the person to determine if the sighting was in fact a lion or simply a mistaken identity (which is usually the case in around +/- 80% of reported sightings). In addition the Ranger will interview the person to determine if the lion was acting normally or aggressive.

The presence of a lion is part of nature and part of being in a wilderness park, and most of the sightings are normal sightings where the lion acted as it should (with a general fear of man and simply wandered off into the bush).

A lion that stands its ground, stalks, or moves towards a human is not normal behavior for and is a cause for concern, and should clearly be reported.

Everyone using these areas should be aware of the risks, but in general; a lion simply acting normally is not a great imposing risk. I have a much greater risk of being injured or killed in my vehicle on the way to the parking lot, or getting injured on my bike than I do of getting attacked by a lion. The historical data for the North American continent supports this.

Everyone should indeed report all sightings to the Rangers, but they should also consider themselves very fortunate to have witnessed a lion in its natural state. They are clearly a disappearing asset to our local wilderness areas.

Just some thoughts,

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Saw five deer hanging out under the oaks at Whitting two weeks ago. Given the number of deer and other animals lions eat which wander the area, it's no wonder the lions follow. I've always riden with at least one buddy, and if we get too far apart on the trail we wait for eachother. I don't have much faith in a weapon though because I don't think I would get it out fast enough. Lions are pretty stealthy. If one is stalkling you, you probably wont now it till it's too late. And since their instinct is to kill with the first bite to the neck, I don't know how you could fight them off. In my mind it's better to just look like more trouble then you're worth, i.e. large groups.
Exactly..... the Deer are back in numbers at the single track in (Borrego). They're even back to being somewhat tame towards me when I stop to watch them, only a few feet away. The deer were in huge numbers up to the attack at Whiting.

Just don't be ignorant, these cats are always around in when you're riding.
 
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