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WTF do you mean WTF? Seems pretty clear to me. Conifer is a quiet, peaceful, and tight knit idyllic mountain community. Everything they mention in that presentation is spot-on. 285 is already an almost epic nightmare. They aren't looking for growth or revenue, they are looking to keep what is left of the peace and quiet there to maintain the quality of life. A mountain bike park WILL negatively affect that quality of life. As a mountain biker, I agree with them 100%. I'm going to venture a guess that people who have never lived in the CO mountains simply won't understand.
 

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WTF do you mean WTF? Seems pretty clear to me. Conifer is a quiet, peaceful, and tight knit idyllic mountain community. Everything they mention in that presentation is spot-on. 285 is already an almost epic nightmare. They aren't looking for growth or revenue, they are looking to keep what is left of the peace and quiet there to maintain the quality of life. A mountain bike park WILL negatively affect that quality of life. As a mountain biker, I agree with them 100%. I'm going to venture a guess that people who have never lived in the CO mountains simply won't understand.
Lol, "they". Like you can speak for the entire town of Conifer! Classis NIMBYism is all this is. If you don't like it move or buy the property yourself.
 

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There's a local neighborhood going through a similar thing right now. I've only heard rumblings, but apparently a private property owner wants to build a mtb park in what's currently a fairly quiet valley neighborhood, and neighbors don't want the traffic.

In the local case, they also have some decent points, and they make some extreme leaps. There's already a small USFS recreation area at the end of the valley, which mostly just gets local use. I don't think they want any more traffic than what that area brings. It's fair. This area is already quite busy with tourist traffic and finding quiet corners can be a challenge. That said, the property size doesn't seem large enough that it would generate the amount of traffic that locals fear.
 

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Seems like a classic NIMBY play. A few things I found in a few minutes looking:
  • This is not a classic rural area. It is located less than 10 miles from Denver and if you look at the properties for sale, they are all newer, high end properties. These are people who live in a semi-rural area and commute to Denver for work.
  • Highway 285 is two lanes each way through the area. Likely there are 10,000+ vehicle trips per day, a significant portion of which are the daily commuters. How much traffic is a resort that operates mostly on the weekends, is 250 acres, and has 200 parking spots going to create?
  • Private property owners have a right to develop their property within the zoning regulations that are established ahead of time. The public has a right to object to proposed developments of property. The public can also band together and purchase a piece of private property (assuming the property owner is willing to sell) if they don't want it developed in accordance with the zoning regulations that are in place (which are developed with input from the general public as part of a general plan). The Truckee-Donner land trust does this on a regular basis, raising funds and buying out potential developments.
 

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Seems like a classic NIMBY play. A few things I found in a few minutes looking:
  • This is not a classic rural area. It is located less than 10 miles from Denver and if you look at the properties for sale, they are all newer, high end properties. These are people who live in a semi-rural area and commute to Denver for work.
  • Highway 285 is two lanes each way through the area. Likely there are 10,000+ vehicle trips per day, a significant portion of which are the daily commuters. How much traffic is a resort that operates mostly on the weekends, is 250 acres, and has 200 parking spots going to create?
  • Private property owners have a right to develop their property within the zoning regulations that are established ahead of time. The public has a right to object to proposed developments of property. The public can also band together and purchase a piece of private property (assuming the property owner is willing to sell) if they don't want it developed in accordance with the zoning regulations that are in place (which are developed with input from the general public as part of a general plan). The Truckee-Donner land trust does this on a regular basis, raising funds and buying out potential developments.
Well....kinda. It might now be less than 10 miles as the crow flies to the edge of the sprawling metro Denver valley, but it is 35 miles from Denver by car. It is actually a classic rural area, or at least it was until the recent building boom and sprawl. The sprawl and new construction happened around Confier and brought everything much closer together, so it is largely still a small mountain town trying not to become part of the borg. They will probably fail at trying to prevent this, but I don't blame them for trying. Having known quite a few residents, I completely understand why they are fighting.

285 sucks, plain and simple. The two lanes in each direction through Conifer (which shrinks down to 1 quickly thereafter) makes no difference to speak of in traffic flow. It is hard to convey how sh!tty it is traveling on that road to anywhere, it is an endless stream of RVs, huge toy haulers, working and commercial trucks, etc going slowly, waiting to turn left, and generally making travel miserable.

Third point about private property owners...yep, true.

I'm a curmudgeon about this stuff, because I grew up in the CO mountains back when it was small, tight, weird, and wonderful. This was long before CO became the new hot shite. The charm and desirability is on its way out for many, where everything is mobbed and painfully expensive and travel is miserable. Luckily I'm not in CO anymore, they can have that crap.
 

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Holy


Holy blow things out of proportion Batman.
It's a little tiny bike park, not a casino complex with a sports stadium.

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You underestimate the MTBrs per capita on the Colorado front range and their desire and ability to mob locations almost to the point of making them unusable.
 

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You underestimate the MTBrs per capita on the Colorado front range and their desire and ability to mob locations almost to the point of making them unusable.
Truth...we witnessed this locally during the height of the pandemic. Thankfully, it has quieted down. Also, we are further from Denver, so our problems are nothing compared to what those in Conifer might ending up dealing with.

I can understand both sides of this situation...

Also, if the local government is anything like what we have in El Paso County, they will ignore local concerns and approve anything that brings in tax dollars.
 

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They make some valid points. I also have no skin in the game, but small mountain towns can be easily overrun. I think the wildfires is a extreme point, but the trash, congestion, and other points seem right on.
This is spot on. Flatlanders trash our mountains and although it's a "tourist" destination, they spend very little in town. One good thing about the three bike parks is that they take almost all the pressure off the trails. Another interesting thing is there are no rentals in town. They're all STRs. If you can find a room to rent, it goes for $1200. Theres no where for the service industry to live. This goes for public servants too.
 

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Holy


Holy blow things out of proportion Batman.
It's a little tiny bike park, not a casino complex with a sports stadium.

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I live next door to a tiny bike park. The parking lot and camping area is full every day. Hundreds of cars. It doesnt even have lift access. I never ride there because I hate crowds, and tourists.
 

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I used to live close to the proposed site, but that was a decade ago. Far from a quite idyllic mountain community. Non stop barking dogs echoing through the hills. Some rocks were graffiti-ed with spray paint on our property. We moved on after a few years.

Those doubting the hyperbole, pause the video at 43 sec and read the sign. "MTB parking only, Violators will be run over" 🙄 The vid makes out like they are going to install a world class ski resort on 250 acres.

I (maybe) understand not wanting something like this next door, but the absurd level of exaggeration makes then come across as unhinged. Not my problem, I don't live there and I don't even own a bike right now. I just though you guys might like to see how you're being vilified by this mountain community.
 

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I grew up in a small town of Oregon and can totally understand where locals are coming from. In time however, money will win and ultimately transform the community. I think the biggest point here is that they aren’t anti-mtb. They already have single track trails... why the need for a lift?

Unpopular opinion... But mtb does have a public perception problem. Many are just not nice while out on the trail, fail to yield and act like they own the trails. If everyone slowed down to pass, say hello and be kind mtb wouldn’t get the backlash it does.
 

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Unpopular opinion... But mtb does have a public perception problem. Many are just not nice while out on the trail, fail to yield and act like they own the trails. If everyone slowed down to pass, say hello and be kind mtb wouldn’t get the backlash it does.
Truth. I do my part, I'm very courteous and friendly on the trail even when it might not be reciprocated (though it usually is). Consistently, the biggest asshats I encounter on the trail are other cyclists, by a long shot.
 

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There's a pretty popular unofficial trail that tends to be the source of local complaint, when too many vehicles are parked in the neighborhood. So yea, sometimes perception is earned.
 
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