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Probably a dumb question for you old school BMXers

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bikerboy

Discussion Starter · Dec 15, 2008

Hopefully I won't get too much crap for posting a BMX related question on a MTB board, but I don't really have a way to post on any of the BMX forums...

...So, I picked up this neat old Hutch Windstyler today and I am aware of what type of BMX bike this is. The one thing that has me scratching my head is this seat. It has a plastic extension that pops out of the nose of the saddle at the push of a button underneath. Would this bike something you would deploy so you would have more of a grip on the seat while doing tricks? Please enlighten me.

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eastcoaststeve

· #2 · Dec 15, 2008

First thought was of Mr. Garrison's bike from South Park (was gonna post a pic, but this is a family place).

I'll post a link to your thread over in the Vintage BMX Freestyle Forum and let you know what the experts have to say.

Steve

gm1230126

· #3 · Dec 15, 2008

It is there so when popped out you can overlap one hand over the end of a grip and the saddle at the same time. Rider's would adjust there bar so when it spun around it would just pass the nose of their saddles. There were a couple different tricks they did where they would overlap one hand over the end of the handlebar and the end of the saddle at the same time with one hand. I don't remember what this/these tricks were called but sure someone else will chime in with them.

YETIFIED

· #4 · Dec 15, 2008

It's missing the knife blade that used to be attached to it. Back in the day manufacturers were trying all kinds of stupid stuff when the freestyle movement was happening. I believe that was an extension for doing foot stands on the seat and bars for added footing area to the seat.

RickD.

· #5 · Dec 15, 2008

gm1230126 said:
It is there so when popped out you can overlap one hand over the end of a grip and the saddle at the same time. Rider's would adjust there bar so when it spun around it would just pass the nose of their saddles. There were a couple different tricks they did where they would overlap one hand over the end of the handlebar and the end of the saddle at the same time with one hand. I don't remember what this/these tricks were called but sure someone else will chime in with them.

+1. That's exactly what it is for. And for what it's worth, I'm 99.9% sure it's not stock.

RickD.

· #6 · Dec 15, 2008

YETIFIED said:
Cool, do you remember the name of the trick? I went to the 1987 Freestyle championships in Portand, Oregon that Bob Morales put on. I saw so much of that stuff, so I took a stab at it.

There were several tricks or variations on tricks that involved holding the seat and bar at the same time, but of course I can't remember the names of any to save my life. I never used one myself, but I remember that seat in the magazines. There was also the seat with the roller on the back so you wouldn't scrape it when you were pedaling upside down.

I keep wanting to say either Brian Scura or Scotty Freeman were heavy users of that seat, but I could be wrong.

YETIFIED

· #7 · Dec 15, 2008

RickD. said:
+1. That's exactly what it is for. And for what it's worth, I'm 99.9% sure it's not stock.

Cool, do you remember the name of the trick? I went to the 1987 Freestyle championships in Portand, Oregon that Bob Morales put on. I saw so much of that stuff, so I took a stab at it.

jeffgothro

· #8 · Dec 15, 2008 (Edited)

BOOYAH BABY!!!!

Although there are variations on the trick as well as other tricks that seat would have been best and probably most used for rollbacks.

Awsome bike BTW...looks like it still has alot of OM parts on it, good score.

TK4130

· #9 · Dec 15, 2008

http://www.23mag.com/com/odyssey/odyssey.htm

YETIFIED

· #10 · Dec 15, 2008

jeffgothro said:
BOOYAH BABY!!!!

Although there are variations on the trick as well as other tricks that seat would have been best and probably most used for rollbacks.

Awsome bike BTW...looks like it still has alot of OM parts on it, good score.

Is that you thrown' down?

gm1230126

· #11 · Dec 15, 2008

I remember selling a bunch of these saddles in like 85-87 and they seemed to die after that but I guess that's because Hutch died around that time also.

jeffgothro

· #12 · Dec 15, 2008

YETIFIED said:
Is that you thrown' down?

Nah...I was never a flatlander...I know a couple tricks like tailwhips and this peg surf thingy, mabie one or two other tricks but I'm mainly a dirt jumper. :thumbsup:

chefmiguel

· #13 · Dec 15, 2008

The reason for the saddle was the mix of riding that was going on. The retracted version helped with the older tricks (boomerangs and tailwhips) the extended way helped with the Rob Nourie(?) style. Gumbys etc. it worked well but eventually became an extended version of the seat. Save it, in a few years someone will pay a mint for it!

jeffgothro

· #14 · Dec 15, 2008 (Edited)

chefmiguel said:
The reason for the saddle was the mix of riding that was going on. The retracted version helped with the older tricks (boomerangs and tailwhips) the extended way helped with the Rob Nourie(?) style. Gumbys etc. it worked well but eventually became an extended version of the seat. Save it, in a few years someone will pay a mint for it!

I hear that...some of those old Hutches if mint go for up to 2k and people actually buy them, heck, I've seen Hutch seat clamps go for 100.00 and Hutch sealed pedals go for almost 600.00 :yikes: . Its insane what people will pay for some of that old bmx stuff. To bad I never kept my old parts and frames - I could be rich now. :thumbsup:

79 Mongoose "buy it now" 1k

And it wouldnt surprize me at all if it gets 1k for it or close to it.

To bad I retired riding BMX in favor of 26" DJ's. I just came across this and have wanted one for a while, its a GT fueler (there first 20" jump bike). It rides great, I bought one when it first came out - in fact I should have a frame, I won one on ebay about a year ago and friggin fed-ex lost it. :madmax:

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chefmiguel

· #15 · Dec 15, 2008

That seat is an Odyssey if I remember right definitly an upgrade at the time. Rick is right I think the whole skyway team rode that roller seat. The rear section of that seat was supposed to be replaceable. You ground down the plastic and went back to the shop and bought another rear section. Usually by then the "erection" part stopped retracting and the rails were crushed, so never sold the parts and the idea died when everyone realized it was lame.

bikerboy

Discussion Starter · #16 · Dec 16, 2008

chefmiguel said:
That seat is an Odyssey if I remember right definitly an upgrade at the time. Rick is right I think the whole skyway team rode that roller seat. The rear section of that seat was supposed to be replaceable. You ground down the plastic and went back to the shop and bought another rear section. Usually by then the "erection" part stopped retracting and the rails were crushed, so never sold the parts and the idea died when everyone realized it was lame.

I found "Leading Edge" and Odyssey stamped on the underside of the saddle. After searching ebay, it looks like these seats are not terribly highly sought after, but interesting anway.

Here are some more pics of the bike...

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jeffgothro

· #17 · Dec 16, 2008

Nice bike, I owned most of the parts on that bike at one time or another growing up.

bikerboy

Discussion Starter · #18 · Dec 16, 2008

jeffgothro said:
Nice bike, I owned most of the parts on that bike at one time or another growing up.

Thanks, its fun having a BMX bike to tinker with. I need to find a replacement handlebar for the bike. The left side is bent down which is not surprising given the type of riding one would do on this bike. The rest of the bike isn't in bad shape all things considered. So far, it has cleaned up pretty well, but I still have some sticker removal and cleaning to do on the frame.

I really like the wheels on this bike which appear to be non-original based on what I have found online. They are 48 hole single-walled and eyeletted hard anodized "The RL Edge" rims laced to Suzue sealed bearing hubs which still roll nice and smooth. I trued them up and they are pretty straight with minimal dings in the sidewalls. Can anybody tell me about these rims? They are stamped made in Belgium, so I suspect Weinmann. Except for the eyelets, they look a lot like the concave Weinmann rims on my 88 Diamondback Apex. I was just wondering what the "RL" was about. Redline maybe?

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hairstream

· #19 · Dec 16, 2008

The tunes are pretty bad ass.

nipsey

· #20 · Dec 16, 2008

bikerboy said:
I was just wondering what the "RL" was about. Redline maybe?

RL Osborn, early freestyle guy.

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