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Looking for some input on suspension changes to my Chilcotin. Overall the suspension has worked well, but not exceptionally during my bike time so far. Currently using and RP 23 circa 2012 and a 2010 talas 36.

Riding is on the shore, but I do road and xc on the bike to generate fitness when time and recovery are reduced.

In both cases the suspension has been a constant tune experiment, and after servicing there are changes due to break in and new seals.

The fork has some "wear" on the right stanchion due to a crash and "polishing out" by me. It has not hindered performance or appeared to have any impact on dirt migration into the lower.

The objective: what cost effective changes can be made to enhance riding experience and performance, without significantly increasing weight.

Shock: I am thinking the Cane Creek CS has serious merit, and this would be the most obvious change. I would like some feedback on this shock from those with some time on it.

Fork: this one is a little more complex due to options (which are incredible) and fork "wear" on the stanchion although the fork is still basically perfect. A new fork means likely moving to a tapered steerer and therefore a size a new cap and top for the headset as well as a new stem, possibly a different axle. This potentially adds $200-300 to the bill.

The plan is to stick with 160 and I need adjustability: it's tough to get the bike in the car otherwise.

The question then becomes whether an Avalanche cartridge is the best option to get the most from the fork I have and extend its life or.....

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xfusion Vengence: hard to come by, and servicing might be difficult

160 Pike: heard it has more plastic and therefore more maintenance. This is a concern for shore riding and my weight (220)

Boss: sounds like a good option and available out here through the most reputable suspension shop, but not aware of the experience of riders here so far

2014 Talas: same weight, proven design, but due to additional expenses, is this fork going to be that much better than the Talas I have, particularly if I add the avalanche?

The best bang for the buck seems obvious (cartridge) but is it the best option overall?

I appreciate your input.

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Here is a tapered fork diagram:

tapered-steerer-tube.jpg

You would need a new a new lower headset cup but the upper portion remains 1.125" so stem and upper headset can stay the same.

X-Fusion Vengeance is a very simple fork to work on, but it rarely needs it. Are you looking for air or coil? HLR or just R?

All of the riders I have talked to have had troubles with the Talas forks, and they are much happier after converting to Floats.

I have the CCDBA-CS on my Endo, and honestly I am not sure I can tell when the CS is engaged. This might be because of the Endo platform or maybe I have my shock setting wrong.

I also have the Pike on my Endo and I'm not sure I'd want it on the Chili. The fork does well enough, but I don't think it would match well with how active the Chili suspension is.
 

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This diagram is a little more relevant given the Chilcotin's 49mm headtube:

49mm-Headtube-Fit-Guide.jpg
 

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There are some new Vengeance hlr forks going on ebay for 500-550$, both 1"1/8 straight and tapered steerers
 

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A few quick notes:

- If you are really factoring in road riding on your Chilcotin for fitness, you should consider a rear shock with a solid lockout. We at Knolly have a great relationship with Cane Creek, and we love The DBA-CS, but it does not have a true firm lockout.

- Honestly, based upon your parameters and requirements(road ride, shore, 220lb, budget), I would probably recommend just sending your current suspension pieces to a certified Fox service center, or a Fox tuning specialist like PUSH, Avalanche, etc. All of these companies have a menu of services for each damper, so you can pick and choose how deep you want to get into this. All I know is, even if you get a simple seal & fluid service, your suspension will probably feel a lot better.

- Craig at Avalanche does great work, and will be very honest with you about what you might 'need' or not need. Most of the Knomers around here are convinced they need at least one upgrade per month, so Craig usually just sits back and takes their orders, since he's not one to argue with their logic. :rolleyes:
 

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- Craig at Avalanche does great work, and will be very honest with you about what you might 'need' or not need. Most of the Knomers around here are convinced they need at least one upgrade per month, so Craig usually just sits back and takes their orders, since he's not one to argue with their logic. :rolleyes:
Even as I need (want) to send him my Pike, I LMFAO at this. :D
 

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There are some new Vengeance hlr forks going on ebay for 500-550$, both 1"1/8 straight and tapered steerers
Thanks. If I do a new fork it will be with a dealer and shop. That way warranty and support are included. These are important for certain parts IMHO.
 

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A few quick notes:

- If you are really factoring in road riding on your Chilcotin for fitness, you should consider a rear shock with a solid lockout. We at Knolly have a great relationship with Cane Creek, and we love The DBA-CS, but it does not have a true firm lockout.

- Honestly, based upon your parameters and requirements(road ride, shore, 220lb, budget), I would probably recommend just sending your current suspension pieces to a certified Fox service center, or a Fox tuning specialist like PUSH, Avalanche, etc. All of these companies have a menu of services for each damper, so you can pick and choose how deep you want to get into this. All I know is, even if you get a simple seal & fluid service, your suspension will probably feel a lot better.

- Craig at Avalanche does great work, and will be very honest with you about what you might 'need' or not need. Most of the Knomers around here are convinced they need at least one upgrade per month, so Craig usually just sits back and takes their orders, since he's not one to argue with their logic. :rolleyes:
Thanks Dusty.

I keep my stuff serviced and up to date with the boys at Suspensionwerx. The suspension is generally good, but can making changes improve the experience.

I like the lockout but don't love it. If the cs had been available when I bought the frame I would have taken it. My desire is to improve the off-road experience while being able to utilize on other applications.

The time on the road has a bunch of different surfaces across town, often to a riding destination. I'm not sure my hauling ass across the west side is good or bad exposure for the brand. I sure do get a lot of double takes and questions about the bike though.

The budget is a recognition of diminishing returns and maintaining flexibility in case I decide to move to another platform. I'm not into the newest thing, but always entertain potentially cost effective advancements.

Ha yes. Upgraditus. For stereos and bikes.....I will give Craig a shout and see what his thoughts are.

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You could switch to the new Talas hydraulic cartridge if you need travel adjust. I don't have any time on it, but it is getting good reviews. It's about $250, then get the avy tune now or down the line when you have the cash.
 

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You could switch to the new Talas hydraulic cartridge if you need travel adjust. I don't have any time on it, but it is getting good reviews. It's about $250, then get the avy tune now or down the line when you have the cash.
Thanks. I just looked at the fox site and fired them an email for more info on the two "upgrades" available including the one you mentioned.
 

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"Craig at Avalanche does great work, and will be very honest with you about what you might 'need' or not need. Most of the Knomers around here are convinced they need at least one upgrade per month, so Craig usually just sits back and takes their orders, since he's not one to argue with their logic".

Even as I need (want) to send him my Pike, I LMFAO at this. :D
Yeah, this was a great line by Dusty...Guilty myself = Woodie for the Chilly just shipped.

Regarding the OP, I had the DBAIR previously and was extremely happy with it. The biggest thing that I wasn't thrilled with was the square edged hits and the Woodie is highly touted for this. It seems that most people are also reporting that they notice the bike even pedals more efficiently.
 

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I've had a 160mm Deville for 2 years. Love it! As for rear shock I'd give Craig at avalanche a call and send it in. He's put hiss SSD in two shocks for me and the difference over stock was night and day. I'm poor at tinkering and never got my ccdba to feel great. Particularly on the square edged stuff. Probably my ineptitude though.
 

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ive had bos forks for the last 4 years, absolutly faultless, the ndee is still working well after 4 years of whistler abuse, and the deville on my chromag is 2 years old, just had it serviced, and its running better than ever, also have a deville on the endo,
bos deville or idylle air sc, as for travel adjust pah who needs it, just remove the front wheel and throw it in thats what i do,
if bos are to expensive then defo go the avalanche route,,
 

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Marzocchi 55 if you can still get one. Marz website shows they still exist. You should be able to get a straight steerer if you want and stick with a 20mm thru axle. the ride quality is superb. If you need adjustable travel, get the 55 Microswitch TA. Tenneco Marzocchi Suspension - 2014 forks - 55 MICRO SWITCH TA

I agree with sending your RP23 to Craig, but at your weight and on a Chili, you are pushing the limits of what that little air shock was made to handle. Craig might be able to help you get a better ride out of it, although his modifications typically decrease the amount of platform on the "lockout" side. Perhaps an Avy'd DHX air or the new Float X CTD might give you another option (if you don't have 3D rockers).
 
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