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POE- Which is better?

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chowdownca

Discussion Starter · Jul 27, 2010

I currently am riding a WTB SpeedDisc wheelset and they are okay, but I find that the rear hub is rather lacking when it comes to Point of Engagement. Sometimes it seems that I can get almost a quarter crank before things get tight. I've been looking at new wheelsets and, while I don't mind spending money for quality, I like sleeping in my bed. If I drop $1000 on a set of wheels, the wife won't let that happen. These will be going on a Dos Niner and, here in the Flatlands, there aren't a ton of baby heads and what not. Mostly mellow singletrack. I've had Crossmax in the large size before and they were okay. I'm about 260# geared up so durability would be a factor. Mostly, I'm looking for a POE that doesn't spin me into my handlebars. Where do the new XTR hubs sit in this area? I know Kings are the deal, but how much difference is there between them, DT Swiss, Hopes, etc.?

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One Pivot

· #2 · Jul 27, 2010

your hubs are probably 18 point. i cant find info on them. i had laserdisc hubs which were 24 point, but the engagement system has SO much play that my 18 point shimano had quicker engagement. i dont know if speeddisc uses the same silly cam system.

xtr hubs are 36 point.. really xt hubs are damn near identical to xtr, except xt uses a more durable steel freehub body, while xtr uses titanium. thats where the (marginal) weight savings comes from. you might be a bit heavy for xtr/xt hubs, the freehub isnt exactly bulletproof. check out slx hubs though.

dt swiss are 18 or 36 point, king is 72, hopes are 24. kings 72 point really is damn near instant engagement. even 36 point is quick.

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mtnbiker72

· #3 · Jul 27, 2010

The "SpeedDisc" hubs are usually Formula cup and cone models which are either 16 or 18 point freehub bodies. Pretty standard (Shimano uses it on most of their hubs, DT Swiss 240's are 18 point standard with an upgrade to 36 possible). At 260# I would recommend the Shimano M665 or M629 hubs that use 32 point FH Bodies for an economy hub that would be quite durable.

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bholwell

· #4 · Jul 27, 2010

Anyone know if the internals of the 42 pt. Hope Pro 2 SS/Trials hub are compatible with the regular version?

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weescott

· #5 · Jul 27, 2010

Chris King - 72 POE
Hadley - 72 POE
Crossmax SX/Deemax 48 POE
DT Swiss 240s - 18 (36 with ratchet upgrade) POE
Hope Pro 2 - 24 POE

Going from Hope Pro 2's to Crossmax the difference is massive. Crossmax are so much quicker.

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superspec

· #6 · Jul 27, 2010

if you are careful and not in a hurry king hubs can be found cheap. i bought a set about a month ago for 350 and just last week saw a set go for 275.

i ride kings and I9. i love both!

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chiplikestoridehisbike

· #7 · Jul 28, 2010

bholwell said:
Anyone know if the internals of the 42 pt. Hope Pro 2 SS/Trials hub are compatible with the regular version?

I believe I read somewhere on here that the hub shell was the same but that the the free hub body had two of the four pawls offset for the greater engagement. So the internals would be the same, but the free hub body would make the difference. Hope really ought to make a regular width version of the single speed free hub body, if this is so and sell it as a replacement part. They could probably sell quite a few and as it appears to be a cnc part, it should be very easy to manufacture.

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ettore

· #8 · Jul 28, 2010

What about Saint hubs? 36 points of engagement, nigh indestructible

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mtnbiker72

· #9 · Jul 28, 2010

ettore said:
What about Saint hubs? 36 points of engagement, nigh indestructible

They would indeed work...though only available with thru axle rear (no big deal) and 20mm front (limited to 20mm fork).

Of course you could always run a different front hub:thumbsup:

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shiggy

· #10 · Aug 4, 2010

chiplikestoridehisbike said:
I believe I read somewhere on here that the hub shell was the same but that the the free hub body had two of the four pawls offset for the greater engagement. So the internals would be the same, but the free hub body would make the difference. Hope really ought to make a regular width version of the single speed free hub body, if this is so and sell it as a replacement part. They could probably sell quite a few and as it appears to be a cnc part, it should be very easy to manufacture.

I will pull the FH body off my Hope trials hub and see.

I think the hub shell is the same part as the 150mm hub, just use the shorter FH.

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shiggy

· #11 · Aug 4, 2010

shiggy said:
I will pull the FH body off my Hope trials hub and see.

I think the hub shell is the same part as the 150mm hub, just use the shorter FH.

A quick check of the Hope site:
"Regular" Pro II
"Four pawls engage into a twenty-four tooth steel ratchet which is fixed into the hub shell.
Ratchet type: 4 pawl (24 engagement)"

Trials Pro II
"Four pawls engage into a forty two tooth steel ratchet which is fixed into the hub shell...This specific rear Trials hub is available with four pawls, offset in two pairs, offering a forty eight engagement ratchet.
Ratchet type: 4 pawl (42 engagement)"

So it is not the FH body.

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