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hello
I am looking for a full suspention 29er for non competative cross country.
I am locking for a comfotable sitting position.
I do not ride fast. i do not have air time, and do not jump high drops (yet I do not want a 100mm bike). i live in israel. we have many different landscapes in a very small counrty, so im loking for a bike that will be comfotable on fun forest single tracks, as well as rocky desert terain, and on long distant soft 4X4 dirt road. a bike that will take me throgh a half day of light playing around, and will be comfortable for a 3 day bikepacking trip.
the pivot trail 429, scalpal se2 and the orbea occam are 3 options that looks appealing to me and are available in my bike shop.
im looking for a "do it all bike" on the mellow side of riding.
thank you.
 

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And to add to that, unless you can test in the exact size and spec and have about a week to dial in the suspension settings and ride it in different terrain, it's still a shot in the dark in my experience. The "test ride em" line is fairly unrealistic for many situations, unless you happen to live in a very large city situated next to great terrain where there's an abundance of bike shops and companies.

I've had good experiences with Pivot and their customer service. Their design pedals amazing and sucks up bumps really well too. This is one of the criteria for me, that it must pedal well on it's own without lockouts and trail enhancements that make the suspension harsh. The "trail" ends up significantly heavier than my "sl", but it can be built up pretty light if you buy the frame only and build it yourself, which is now an option again with pivot finally. For a while they'd only sell you a complete bike with the super-boost hub standard, but for me, I'm the opposite, I never buy a complete bike because I want to build it up exactly how I want and not end up with a bunch of extra parts. The super-boost thing is of no interest to me, I find plus size tires only slow me down, but if I was shopping for a new frame I'd be open minded. If you already have a set if nice 29er 142 wheels, it makes super-boost out of the question without new hubs, but I am running adapters that allow me to run the wheels in the boost frame.

I think you are right on target with these bikes and their travel numbers/intended purpose. Great non-competitive XC bikes to rule a lot of terrain and keep it light.
 

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And to add to that, unless you can test in the exact size and spec and have about a week to dial in the suspension settings and ride it in different terrain, it's still a shot in the dark in my experience. The "test ride em" line is fairly unrealistic for many situations, unless you happen to live in a very large city situated next to great terrain where there's an abundance of bike shops and companies.

I've had good experiences with Pivot and their customer service. Their design pedals amazing and sucks up bumps really well too. This is one of the criteria for me, that it must pedal well on it's own without lockouts and trail enhancements that make the suspension harsh. The "trail" ends up significantly heavier than my "sl", but it can be built up pretty light if you buy the frame only and build it yourself, which is now an option again with pivot finally. For a while they'd only sell you a complete bike with the super-boost hub standard, but for me, I'm the opposite, I never buy a complete bike because I want to build it up exactly how I want and not end up with a bunch of extra parts. The super-boost thing is of no interest to me, I find plus size tires only slow me down, but if I was shopping for a new frame I'd be open minded. If you already have a set if nice 29er 142 wheels, it makes super-boost out of the question without new hubs, but I am running adapters that allow me to run the wheels in the boost frame.

I think you are right on target with these bikes and their travel numbers/intended purpose. Great non-competitive XC bikes to rule a lot of terrain and keep it light.
there is no option for me at the moment to buy frame only. I need to buy a kit. are the weight differences that significant between these 3 models?
 

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there is no option for me at the moment to buy frame only. I need to buy a kit. are the weight differences that significant between these 3 models?
The pivot one isn't especially light, due to the spec that Pivot uses, can read more about it in the pivot forum. If it were me, I'd run a 120mm fox 34 SC with a crown-spacer to lift it an additional 10mm, to give it the head-tube angle it's supposed to have, without the weight of the fork they spec. If you are going to run plus tires, ignore this, as that'll override any of these smaller differences.
 

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If the Cannondale has the Lefty I would avoid that (or anything else with proprietary, unique, difficult to get serviced parts, like Spec Brain), especially because you're a bit far from Cannondale HQ.
In my opinion, Canyon should be considered as well; if you know your size, ordering a bike is not a bad thing, of my 4 'main' bikes I didn't test ride any of them.
 

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Boaz,

Where are you located, where do you spend most time riding?
Ben shemen? Horshan? The Jerusalem area?

What size bike are you ?

I’d throw in the tallboy / blur tr. good bike.

Oren


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I've had both the Trail 429 and Scalpel, and although the suspension lengths were similar, I found them to be very different, both good, just different. Scalpel, as mentioned, is a race machine whereas the Trail 429 is more of a do-everything bike IMO.
 

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I've had both the Trail 429 and Scalpel, and although the suspension lengths were similar, I found them to be very different, both good, just different. Scalpel, as mentioned, is a race machine whereas the Trail 429 is more of a do-everything bike IMO.
Is what he showed the same "scalpel"? This appears to be a more trail-orientated version.
 

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Is what he showed the same "scalpel"? This appears to be a more trail-orientated version.
You're probably right, when I had mine there were only alloy and carbon options but both were XC-oriented.
 
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