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So...I already have too many bikes. Yet I find myself continuing to test out new bikes almost every year. Sometimes I think I go to check out the always evolving technology that goes into bikes. Other times I just lust for something new. Maybe that's why I'm still not married. :D I've already made the decision to sell 1-2 bikes this spring.

So the past two weeks I've been doing some test rides. I went shopping with the intention of buying a better beater/spare bike. Something under $1k. I found a '10 GF Mamba on closeout at one LBS. Then I found a leftover '10 Cobia at another LBS. I ended up test riding the following bikes (along with a few others over the past 6 months):

'10 GF Cobia
'11 X-Cal
'11 Paragon
'11 Scott Scale 29er Team

I knew the '10 Mamba would feel similar to the '10 Cobia so I went to the first LBS and test rode the '10 Cobia back to back with the '11 X-Cal. The '11 X-Cal blew me away with how it felt in comparison. It felt much more stable, solid and confidence inspiring...keeping in mind I was just riding around a parking lot and hopping curbs.

The next LBS sets sag on all three bikes...the '11 Paragon, '11 X-Cal and '11 Scott in that order. The Paragon felt downright amazing. For some reason they couldn't set the sag right in the X-Cal for me. After riding the X-Cal it gave me the impression there was something was wrong with the Reba. The salesman brings the bike back to the service area and comes back and says nothing is wrong with the Reba. They say it's just the Fox on the Paragon feels THAT much better than the Reba. WTF?! Don't get me wrong I have a Fox FIT RLC on my other 29er and it does feel amazing, but I don't remember the other X-Cal's Reba feeling like that at all. The Scott felt good, but I just liked the Paragon better. I found myself very disappointed in my comparison of the Paragon and X-Cal after the experience with the Reba on that bike. I noticed a slight difference in weight between the two which translated to a little faster acceleration.

So I go back to the other LBS and decide to try the '11 X-Cal and '10 Cobia again. I have them set sag and immediately knew the OTHER X-Cal I tested didn't feel right. The Reba felt amazing. I had the shop do a few more adjustments on the rebound and it made it feel even better to me. It's not quite as responsive as the Paragon's Fox, but I found it to feel a bit more plush. I tried the '10 Cobia again and went back to the '11 X-Cal and the X-Cal just felt so much better to me. My decision was made. I'm a proud new owner of an '11 X-Cal.

I decided I didn't want to spend the extra $500-$600 for the Paragon since I'm still trying to build up a higher end 29er HT (I have a bike already built up, but I'm looking to improve it with a different frame and wheelset). I think if you're shopping between an X-Cal and Paragon you really can't go wrong with either. I really didn't see myself going back to Gary Fisher...err...Trek Gary Fisher Collection or whatever, but I'm really impressed with the new ride/geo.

Now for some low quality cellphone pics. :D







Not exactly a lightweight at 27.57 lbs, but it feels like it rides lighter (weight was with reflectors, but no pedals :D ). I want to say the Paragon I tested weighed in at 1 lb less.

 

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Nice bike man!...I'm like that with my bikes also....I've bought 3 the past 3 years...and in a couple of months I want a Gary Fisher hardtail....I'm up in the air with the Cobia and the X-Cal....I'm trading in my 6500 Trek that I got last year....I guess it's all going to depend on what they give me for the trade in. The Cobia's colors pop out to me...Being you've test rode these bikes....I was wondering if youcould give me your thoughts. I just want a 29er now a days. The Cobia is more affordable for me....But maybe I can swing the X-Cal depending on the trade value and money I have at the time....Is there a huge difference between the 2?
 

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Yeah, I keep telling myself that...Because there's no way the shop will give me what I want for it! I want no less than 800-850 for it...I'm going to try and put it up on craigslist for 975 and see what it does. I've only used it for one season and not all that much...the bikes in very good condition....I just want a 29er that's all. I just hope it's not going to be that hard to sell
 

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I went in to see what they would trade a carbon road bike that I had, it was a $3000.00 bike. They would barely reach $500.00 This bike had less than 100 miles on it in 2 years.
 

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RichieRichRK said:
Nice bike man!...I'm like that with my bikes also....I've bought 3 the past 3 years...and in a couple of months I want a Gary Fisher hardtail....I'm up in the air with the Cobia and the X-Cal....I'm trading in my 6500 Trek that I got last year....I guess it's all going to depend on what they give me for the trade in. The Cobia's colors pop out to me...Being you've test rode these bikes....I was wondering if youcould give me your thoughts. I just want a 29er now a days. The Cobia is more affordable for me....But maybe I can swing the X-Cal depending on the trade value and money I have at the time....Is there a huge difference between the 2?
I didn't test ride an '11 Cobia, but I would suspect the frame is probably the same as the X-Cal. To be honest, the burnt orange color just wasn't my speed. I'm sure the Cobia a fine bike though. :thumbsup:

None of the LBS here accept trade-ins. I'm guessing you'll probably do better selling on CL or eBay though.

Here's a pic from the other day next to my newly acquired 09 Honda Fit Sport.

 

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Yeah that X-Cal is sweet looking...I'm probably going with the Cobia because of budget purposes but I'll upgrade the bars and seat post with carbon lighten it up a little bit...If I can swing it I'll get the X-Cal. I've got my bike on CL now...not a lot of luck though just spam....I'd sell it on eBay but I don't have a clue on how to ship a mountain bike or what to even charge for shipping!
 

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Hey guys, just wanted to give you a update...I sold my bike...so putting the order in for a 29er next week...between the Cobia and xcal it all depends on what kind of cash I have at the time
 

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RichieRichRK said:
Hey guys, just wanted to give you a update...I sold my bike...so putting the order in for a 29er next week...between the Cobia and xcal it all depends on what kind of cash I have at the time
Good luck! Let us know what you decide. :thumbsup:
 

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I have a 2010 mamba. It was my first rig it was ok for my 1st season but i just up graded almost the whole rig this week. I went with a fox 100mm fork, sram x9 shifters ,FD,RD, Sram 950 cassette, sram 991 chain, shimano LX m582 crank, Bontrager carbon rlx bars , carbon rlx seatpost, and carbon stem. I found everything on the net brand net anf only spent 873 on everything. I lost 6.5 lbs on the rig. Now this is one nice rig for the $1550 I have in it
 

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I went with the Cobia! It's a great bike for the money...I just got back from vacation a couple days ago. Put in my order yesterday should have it in a couple days :thumbsup:
 

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I went with the Cobia! It's a great bike for the money...I just got back from vacation a couple days ago. Put in my order yesterday should have it in a couple days :thumbsup:
Congrats! :thumbsup:
 

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So I was at the LBS today and noticed the new Trek/GFs all have different tires (each specific model). My X-Cal has Jones XRs..2.25 front and 2.2 rears. According to Trek's website my bike should have come with the 29-2 in 2.1 wide. Don't get me wrong...I'm actually happy mine came with the Jones XR because I'm not sure about those 29-2s and they're not as wide/less volume. I'm guessing the 29-2's weigh a little less.

One of the Paragons had Schwalbe Racing Ralphs (I really wished my X-Cal had these!). One of the Marlins had Maxxis Crossmarks. What's going on with Trek and all of these different tires?
 

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I think it's supply issues. I got an early Paragon last august and it came with the XR's also, which I have grown to like quite a bit.
 

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Hi, new to the forum. I'm trying myself to make up my mind between the Cobia and X-Cal. It's a budget concern for the X-Cal and I don't really like the Cobia's color.

If I buy the X-Cal what would be a mid-range quality pedal to purchase? Bounty Hunter, what pedals are you using? I won't be doing any extreme riding.
 

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Hi, new to the forum. I'm trying myself to make up my mind between the Cobia and X-Cal. It's a budget concern for the X-Cal and I don't really like the Cobia's color.

If I buy the X-Cal what would be a mid-range quality pedal to purchase? Bounty Hunter, what pedals are you using? I won't be doing any extreme riding.
Welcome to MTBR.com. :thumbsup: The '11 Cobia and X-Cal debate was just brought up in the 29er forum here the other day. I would spend the extra money and go with the X-Cal if you can. The Reba is truly amazing! I replied on that thread as well...

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=695376

As far as pedals go if you're new to the sport I would suggest maybe just start off on some platforms until you feel comfortable with trying clipless pedals. Keep in mind a decent set of clipless pedals + shoes will probably run you $125-$200 for both. The pedals on my X-Cal at the moment are Shimano M545 which can be used with an SPD cleat or you can just ride them like platforms. They're heavy, but I like the versatility they offer. On my more dedicated bikes (road bike and other Mt Bikes) I usually run the M540s or M520s because I'm too cheap for XT or XTR. :D

M545
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/con.../product.-code-PD-M545.-type-pd_mountain.html

M540
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/con...product.-code-PD-M540.-type-.pd_mountain.html
 

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Thanks for the info. Bounty Hunter, what height are you and what frame did you size to? At 5'9", and roughly 31.5" inseam I test drove a 17.5 Cobia and found it comfy for my arms but bound up some-what for my legs. A 19" X-Cal driven 2 days later feels better for the legs but the bike itself felt like it was too big. Maybe I'd get used to it riding it longer. I also tested a 17.5 GF Montaire Hybrid. That bike was definitely too small. However I drive a 93 GT Arette Hybrid and I'll tell you that Montaire just smokes it in ride quality and speed. My, how times have changed.
 

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just put a little shorter stem and slide your seat up a bit.
 
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