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Pedal type and foot placement and orientation

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Nearly all my riding has been on road bikes using clip or clipless pedals and bike shoes. Now with mountain bikes there are also flat platform pedals with pins as an option.

What is a little confusing for me is that with road cycling one does not drop their heels at all and with flat pedals one is supposed to drop them all the time. I was also told to have my foot further forward on the pedal and not to have the ball of my foot directly above the pedal axle.

While I can understand this in relation to platform pedals is this still valid if using MTB clipless pedals?
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Speaking to the low heels flat pedal position. That's to keep you from being bounced of your pedals when going through bumps/rocks/roots and cornering. Plus you benefit from putting your weight on the pedals. And, of course, you're not pedaling at this time.
Low heels is not done on smooth ground or when pedaling.
This allows you to use stubby short pin pedals instead of the longer sharper pin versions.
Shoes can be running or trail shoes with some lug pattern. The low heels creates an angle affect interface between the pins and the sole of your shoe. You'd have to scrape the pins through the tread. Impossible if weighted. You can't come off.
This combo doesn't cut up your shins or need shin guard protection.
I use Adidas Boost midsole shoes because the Boost midsole greatly reduces vibration transmission into your foot. Otherwise I'd get numb after a couple hours of rocky trails.

Longer sharp pins and 5.10 type sticky rubber sole shoes works good for downhill seated riding without as much weight on the pedals. The sharp pin versions can't be used with running shoes because the pins destroy your soles.
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On your road bike you essentially have a single riding position and are in it for hours and want as much efficiency as possible. On a mountain bike it's all more dynamic, with the terrain defining not just what the pedaling position is, but the style and whether you can even pedal at all.
Dropping your heels when going downhill lowers your centre of gravity behind and below the pedal axles. It's much harder to go over the bars if you do that and keep your body weight back.
If you
re comflrtable with it, put the ball of your foot over the axle to start with. Ride and have fun. Then try shifting your foot a little further forward and see how that feels. A lot of riders are pushing their cleats back on the road as well. Try the pedal position and it's up to you, nothing is fixed.
I ride both pedal types on MTB. With clipless I have my cleats as far back to the heel as they can go. Like already said, heels down is for when going downhill to keep you connected to the bike and weighted properly. As a new MTB rider, I would strongly recommend you ride flats for a good while before clipless on MTB. Flats will force you to learn proper technique. With clipless you can cheat and/or get lazy over time. Which is why I switch back and forth, to keep myself in check.


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with flat pedals one is supposed to drop them all the time.
You're not supposed to drop them all the time. I rarely intentionally drop the heel of my rear foot even going down hill. Avoid advice from anyone that says you should always drop your heels or drop your outside foot in a corner. Rarely is anything that absolute in MTB. Check out the Ben Cathro's How to Bike series for instruction from a Pro.
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You're no supposed to drop them all the time. I rarely intentionally drop the heel of my rear foot even going down hill. Avoid advice from anyone that says you should always drop your heels or drop your outside foot in a corner. Rarely is anything that absolute in MTB. Check out the Ben Cathro's How to Bike series for instruction from a Pro.
I find I actually lift my rear heel a little it keeps me stuck to the peddles and centered on the bike. I only drop the rear heel under heavy braking.
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While I can understand this in relation to platform pedals is this still valid if using MTB clipless pedals?
Not really necessary with clipless pedals. I center the cleat a little behind the ball of my foot but the fore/aft placement is symmetrical. Dropping the heels helps lower your center of gravity a hair and helps rest your calves but you could point your toes down and still stay on the pedals (I wouldn't advise pointing your toes down on purpose though).
I physically can't drop my rear heel. I'm not that flexible. Best I can get is rougly horizontal with my rear heel, which is fine. The leading heel dropped is what matters most when coasting through chunk/chatter. Pointing your rear toe down and dropping your front heel gives you the "bowl technique" that'll give you really solid attachment to the bike (esp used when the bike leaves the ground).

Honestly, you should be able to drop your heels when using clipless pedals, too. No, you're not going to do it when you're actively pedaling. But because dropping your heels lowers your center of mass, it benefits you with clipless pedals, too.

I had a pro fitter adjust my clipless setup on my road bike to give me as much of a midfoot placement as the shoes allowed. He probably would have gone farther if the shoes allowed more adjustment. I really liked that a lot better than putting the cleat right at the ball of my foot. Part of the foot placement difference has to do with how your foot is supported by the pedal. With a platform pedal/flat shoe combo, you support your foot better with a more midfoot placement. Roadie clipless supports your feet quite a bit differently compared to mtb clipless.
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