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So when you're riding DH at a ski resort and you come up on someone, is it considered rude or something to ask to pass? Most people are pretty nice about it and yield the trail at the first opportunity. But some people make a big deal out of it.
 

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pricks that don't move when asked, get crowded out and forced off the trail. and i'm pretty darn rude and aggressive about it if i've already asked for the right of way (assuming he/she had the opportunity to easily pull over and let me pass) i'd expect the same if i was in someones way and didn't move.....
 

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.WestCoastHucker. said:
pricks that don't move when asked, get crowded out and forced off the trail. and i'm pretty darn rude and aggressive about it if i've already asked for the right of way (assuming he/she had the opportunity to easily pull over and let me pass) i'd expect the same if i was in someones way and didn't move.....
Riders that force their way past in unsafe places are also pricks. The riders in front needs to be able to find a spot they feel safe to pull over. Just because a rider is slower does not mean they are not riding at or near their limit.
 

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I say to your right or left....if they don't pull to the side (when it is safe) and you see them trying to race you a little...I will get on their tail and start making whooping noises.....usually they bail....and that is the best part......just remember to get on them tight, hoot and hollar, then back off a little to give them room to bail....
 

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Steve,

It really depends on the trail, the rider in front of you and your passing skills. I've been riding the bike park for 5 or 6 years now and this is one of those topics that comes up on nsmb every year with regard to A-Line because there are total morons that will try to pass in the worst possible spots up there. There are also people that shouldn't be riding that trail, but that's another topic. In general, on that trail or other fast, flowy trails, I first try to avoid slow folks when I enter the top or middle section by giving anyone that enters in front of me some time before I head down so I don't ride up their asses. I know these trails well enough that I can pretty much rail them, so I don't take any joy in coming up on slow riders.....it ruins my buzz and theirs, so I just give those folks space when I see them entering in front of me.

Inevitably though, I usually catch someone on A Line, Freight Train or Dirt Merchant. When that happens, I give them some space while still making enough noise to let them know someone's behind them and then try to give them an "on your left" when there's a good, safe spot to pass. If someone catches me, I let them by when it makes sense, but I don't pull over in dumb spots. There are some super fast mofo's up in Whistler and I have no illusions that I'm the fastest person on the hill....so I'm fine with letting a ripper go past me when it makes sense to let them by.

On blue/green trails like B-Line, Fantastik or Heart of Darkness, I don't try to pass people unless they let me by. The reason is that those trails are made for beginners and not for advanced folks to be riding up on their asses. Nothing chaps my hide worse than seeing a train of idiots passing a beginner on these trails. If you want to ride fast, then hop on freight train or something with some challenge to it.....these trails are for the folks who are just getting their feet wet in the park. If I see someone pulling one of these maneuvers on a beginner trail, I'll catch up with them and give them an earful.

Anyway, that's my take on it. You can some of the rants of the BC folks here.

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What kind of trouble are you having exactly?
Thanks for all the replies guys, that is pretty much the way I see things too, but I just wanted to check. We're all out there to have fun and I don't want to ruin anyone's day or be a pr!ck.

Most people are really good about it, I just had someone refuse to yield the trail to my wife (who decided to pull over and wait) and then to me. The rider was extremely agitated and described me as a F'ing Jerk for riding so close. Then there are the guys who decide it's a race when you ask to pass.

Anyway no big deal it's just that I'm Australian and I though maybe I was asking wrong. Some people say "Track" but I though that was just for the races.
 

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I usually just say "on your left / right" when there's a straight and open place to get around them... if they sprint or do something to not let me pass, the next right hand corner (dont want to screw up my derailer) we get to, they get a nice sliding block pass on their front wheel and then Im gone.

Generally I like to give people the respect they deserve, but if I see that respect not being returned, well then that guy is a prick... and deserves what he gets.

I've only had to do this once. Most people are pretty cool about yeilding to faster traffic.
 

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. The rider was extremely agitated and described me as a F'ing Jerk for riding so close. .
those are the guys you hoot and holler at......and then watch them bail...good times good times
 

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those are the guys you hoot and holler at......and then watch them bail...good times good times
Too true. I love rubbing their tire then saying sorry.. Or just staying on their tail while coasting really annoys them (thank you hadley/king). Then you watch them try to hit a corner 10mph faster than they should and go sailing off the trail, or they realize they're going too slow and they can't keep the pace and then you have all the passring room you need.

I try to be nice and respectful of all riders but if they ignore me on a course thats fast.. it reminds me of the same thing with people driving in the fast lane...
 

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now i don't ride DH, but when riding some XC i've had people not wanna move. some dude on a brand new Santa Cruz Blur was riding like an old person and i was like "on your left" and he says "good for you" and i'm thinking wtf? so we are riding and i say "hey buddy can i get around ya?" and his response is "go f*ck yourself" so... it was about at this time when my friend right behind me throws his water bottle past my head and into the back of the other guy. i know, it wasn't a bright thing to do, but i didn't feel bad at the time... mainly cause i had nothing to do with throwing it. after it hit him he kind of swerved off the trail and stoped while yelling and screaming. so throwing sh*t at them is one way to make em move.

i normally just start riding up on them and putting in a wheel on the inside of turns and forcing space where there isn't any. justg alittle bit of my motocross background kicking in. once you start showing them you aren't afriad to put them through the next corner they will back off and let you around. other wise.... come in fast on the inside and stuff em.
 

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Definitely.

.WestCoastHucker. said:
i was clear to point out that sometimes it isn't safe for someone to let me by, and that's cool. but if you don't move when it's safe, you better find a safe place to be landing.......
I like courtesy...both taken and given equally when the time is proper, but it is amazing how some yahoos get offended or something when you politely ask to pass. I'm as hardheaded as the next guy...well, maybe not as much as SMT...but when a guy cruises up behind you, he wasn't transported there by the Starship Enterprise...he's faster than you. Why spoil his ride, and maybe yours, trying to make some kind of useless point? You see a lot of this at Moab...and I guess any popular riding location...fragile egos, perhaps. This situation has provided some of the most entertaining and funny sights, however. I've come across riders who wouldn't give an inch, and you could tell they were riding waaaay over their head in an attempt to step it up. I've seen some spectacular crashes, some amazing saves, and some "new routes" on the trail that were very impressive.:D On the other hand, when I've had a faster rider(s) come upon me, I've pulled into or onto a cubbyhole or ledge that they never anticipated me being able to exit the trail into. I've seen them crash every once in awhile or take a heinous line because my sudden absence kinda disoriented them because they lost their concentration on the trail. Those are kinda funny because they were paying more attention to me than the trail.

I certainly believe in courtesy and politeness when riding. But I often recall the warning given at the rider's meeting about passing during a dirt motorcycle enduro race...which is really just racing on singletrack, for the most part. "When a faster rider gets on your tail, pull over as fast as possible when it's safe to do so. If the faster rider has yelled for a pass on 3 occasions, and the slower rider hasn't pulled over when he's had an opportunity to do so...the slower rider is fair game".:D
 

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Uhh, the one time I have ridden XC trails by myself was on my P.1 Cromo. It was about 6PM, overcast, but the trails were perfect. Nice and tacky. Perfect for fast, flowy singletrack on my K Rads.



I was going basically as fast as 32-14 on a 24" rear wheel would take me.


I saw this guy on a Superlight and I'm like great, first climb and he's gone. I came flying up on him, asked to get by and he just ignored me. So I kept running up on his ass to let him know I could pass. Still ignored me. Wide flat corner comes up and I come in, dead sprint. Back wheel came out faster than I expected so I controlled it. Took the guy's front wheel out and he nailed his head on a rock.

There's one XC'er who had a reason to wear a fullface and armor...
 

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Uhh, the one time I have ridden XC trails by myself was on my P.1 Cromo. It was about 6PM, overcast, but the trails were perfect. Nice and tacky. Perfect for fast, flowy singletrack on my K Rads.

I was going basically as fast as 32-14 on a 24" rear wheel would take me.

I saw this guy on a Superlight and I'm like great, first climb and he's gone. I came flying up on him, asked to get by and he just ignored me. So I kept running up on his ass to let him know I could pass. Still ignored me. Wide flat corner comes up and I come in, dead sprint. Back wheel came out faster than I expected so I controlled it. Took the guy's front wheel out and he nailed his head on a rock.

There's one XC'er who had a reason to wear a fullface and armor...
That was my experience. The guy completely ignored me, then after about 3 times asking him he flipped me the bird not even looking back. So the trail opened up to fire road and he'd be swerving to not let me pass him.. so I late braked him, stuffed his front wheel, and rode away the next 100 ft on a straight away coasting with both fingers in the breeze just to be sure he saw me after eating sh!t.
 
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I have only had to do this once and the guy completely stopped??? WTF... I said IM GOING LEFT... he stopped in the middle... But it turned out ok he let me by...

Dont stop in the middle, please
 

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Steve71 said:
So when you're riding DH at a ski resort and you come up on someone, is it considered rude or something to ask to pass? Most people are pretty nice about it and yield the trail at the first opportunity. But some people make a big deal out of it.
I wouldn't say you are asking to pass. You need to warn the bicyclist in front of you that you are passing on the left/right. I don't like it when suddenly somebody flys by me because at the moment he is going past me I could see a rock or something and have to move to that side of the trail causing a collision. If there is room to pass and the guy in front isn't moving so that you can pass, that's unfortunate but you shouldn't do anything dangerous because it will probably be your fault. The guy in front is rude and obnoxious, but that won't satisfy a judge when you are arguing you shouldn't have to pay damages to take care of a paraplegic for the rest of his life. Don't do anything stupid, and don't let other numbnuts posters here make you think it is okay to do stuff like that.
 
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