[crazylax42]

gahhhh.......everything breaks, people! spend some time in a shop and talking to hundreds of consumers and you'll find that stuff happens! Every company sends out bad items here and there, everyone is forced into making a recall, and EVERYONE warrantees things! Also, in my experience, a warrantied item often was used or abused in situations that the consumer is either embarrassed or ignorant of. Move on, this horse is so beat to death the flies don't even want it!

 

[1hardrush]

if im not mistaken, carbon is stronger than steel.

but carbon doesnt give like steel.

 

[CdaleTony]

Yeah, but we are talking about mountain bikes here. It would be easy to say that the Space Shuttle and the Scalpel both have bonding issues with carbon fiber or even something like the stealth bomber or fighter. That's not fair to compare something that is complex like a Mercedes to a bike frame. Or maybe we should? Like a brand new Mercedes having a catastrophic chassis or strut failure right from the dealer.

I love Cannondales. Look through my posts and you will see how much I like them.

The photo I posted happened in a race in front of hundreds of people, not some "well I was just riding along" type threads. Cannondale has a big problem either in their design or quality control in the (Taiwanese I think) factorywhere these things are put together.

A frame that basically came unbonded and fell apart is a serious issue.

That part makes me feel better about MIUSA

Edited thread. Apparently instead of qouting someone, I edited myself into 'apacherider's' post. THEN I was quoted by Flying wombat, but it had both mine and apache rider's post listed as one quote,whcih wasn't correct. I think I cleaned it up to reflect various author's intent...
Sorry
CDT

 

[Deuce918]

Customer service

Having had 3 Cannondale bike failures Im happy to report the company dealt with the problems swiftly. In 2001(Raven 7sx) my Hayes Mechanical Disc failed by locking up the front brake when the cable compressed. Imagine what happened when I was rolling downhill :eekster: it wasnt pretty. Cannondale contaced Hayes and Hayes sent me a new hydralic front brake which is still in service plus Cannondale sent me swag. Then in 2006, same bike; the rear swing arm on my Raven split Cannondale sent me a new Caad 8 road frame as I had already bought a Rush frame on Ebay. When I was building up my Rush my lefty locked up Cannondale sent me a rebuilt/upgraded lefty. They stand by there bikes which has made me a loyal customer. Everything breaks bikes, cars, ATV's, motorcycles, but its the companys response that counts

 

[ar1981]

Man I would love to see what you'd say when a big ole S600 or CL65 is stuck with with a flat or some electrical malady. Things happen. It's how they are dealt with that makes the difference....
CDT

But in the case of a Mercedes you will always expect electronic faults and poor build quality now that they have "Chrysler" in their company name.

Just because you see a broken Cannondale doesn't mean you have to imply they all break... I'm sick to death of the Crack'n'fail comment, personally.

Go searching on the forums for cracks... You'll see numerous broken frames from Specialized, Trek, Gary Fisher, GT, Litespeed,etc etc, ad naueseum... Frames break, it ain't exclusively a "Cannondale" domain, ya know!

 

[OSKIN100]

if im not mistaken, carbon is stronger than steel.

Carbon is way stronger if you are talking stiffness, but with carbon if a rock hits it is doesn't bend or dent like steel are other metal it splinters and then creats a weak point that you may not even be able to see but some other little pressure can easily break it then.

 

[RoyDean]

But in the case of a Mercedes you will always expect electronic faults and poor build quality now that they have "Chrysler" in their company name.

A little behind in your business news, huh? Daimler-Benz severed from Chrysler a while back.

 

[ssc280]

Man I would love to see what you'd say when a big ole S600 or CL65 is stuck with with a flat or some electrical malady. Things happen. It's how they are dealt with that makes the difference....
CDT

The whole Mercedes analogy isn't really working. Can't really compare getting a flat to a broken frame, and if my brand new Benz had a major electrical problem I'd be pretty pissed.

 

[steadite]

if im not mistaken, carbon is stronger than steel.

CF composites are great until you have to join them to another material. Based on the photo, so I could be wrong, but it looks like they've tried to make (a cyclically stressed joint) with a couple rivets and some adhesive. Yikes.

 

[A-Dog]

You guys crack me up. most of the posters on this site probably don't even put 500 miles a year on their bikes and have absolutely no enginerring or mechanical skills at all. And on top of that, they have absolutely 0 knowledge of how the bicycling industry actually operates. Then they come on a forums such as this and voice their opinion full of confidence as they are on authroity on the subject and then some of you actaully beleive them.

Bottom line, consumer products break. From the chi chi bling bling to the mass market crap. That scalpel was made by hand by an american employee who this morning will find out the bad news that one of his/her bikes broke on a customer. They will feel bad. They will imediately review the process and make any appropriate changes. Cannondale will take care of that customer to their full satisfaction and I wouldn't be surprised if a new frame was on the big brown truck tomorrow and in his hands before the weekend. Try getting that from another company.

Second bottom line, cannondale scalpels ruled the world cup ciricuit, they kicked but a la ruta one of the nasiest races of all time, they all survied the interbike demo.

Third bottom line, my team scalpel weighs 20 pounds 10 oucnes with chrome eggbeaters and was handmade in america. chew on that one for a while.

 

[apacherider]

Third bottom line, my team scalpel weighs 20 pounds 10 oucnes with chrome eggbeaters and was handmade in america. chew on that one for a while.

You're the guy in the photo below that had to be carried out on a 4 wheeler after yard-sale-ing on your brand new Scalpel.

 

[apacherider]

That part makes me feel better about MIUSA

Edited thread. Apparently instead of qouting someone, I edited myself into 'apacherider's' post. THEN I was quoted by Flying wombat, but it had both mine and apache rider's post listed as one quote,whcih wasn't correct. I think I cleaned it up to reflect various author's intent...
Sorry
CDT

Yeah, you kind of butchered my original post.

 

[A-Dog]

You're the guy in the photo below that had to be carried out on a 4 wheeler after yard-sale-ing on your brand new Scalpel.

well not to poke holes in your logic but, that is a taurine from a year ago, and after that crash my full carbon taurine was just fine it was the rear derailluer that had the issue, when you ride often, you crash, sometimes in front of people. i still have that bike and have raced/ridden it many times since then without any issues.

also you are the guy that acutally took joy in my crash becuase i was suppourting a good friend when we was railroaded by usada. to qoute you " i deserved to crash"

 

[apacherider]

also you are the guy that acutally took joy in my crash becuase i was suppourting a good friend when we was railroaded by usada. to qoute you " i deserved to crash"

Liar.

"I said "Wearing a "Free Sager" wristband will bring you nothing but bad luck."

I never said you "deserved to crash". Never happened, dork. Look it up if you like in my post dated 3-5-07.

Your "friend" was banned for doping. It's all his fault and his petty childish hissy fit way of handling his mistakes were unprofessional and cheap. He blamed everyone but himself.

There is nothing worse than a cheater in sports. Nothing. Break the rules and you forfeit your right to play.

I stand behind everything I have ever posted here.

 

[huge_pop]

Liar.

"I said "Wearing a "Free Sager" wristband will bring you nothing but bad luck."

I never said you "deserved to crash". Never happened, dork. Look it up if you like in my post dated 3-5-07.

Your "friend" was banned for doping. It's all his fault and his petty childish hissy fit way of handling his mistakes were unprofessional and cheap. He blamed everyone but himself.

There is nothing worse than a cheater in sports. Nothing. Break the rules and you forfeit your right to play.

I stand behind everything I have ever posted here.

Wasn't Sager banned because he missed an unannounced random test at a race he didn't finish? Wasn't Sager treated guilty until proven innocent? How is that cheating?

There has to be a better forum for personal attacks. Lets try to stay on the subject of Cannondales here.

 

[A-Dog]

Liar.

"I said "Wearing a "Free Sager" wristband will bring you nothing but bad luck."

I never said you "deserved to crash". Never happened, dork. Look it up if you like in my post dated 3-5-07.

Your "friend" was banned for doping. It's all his fault and his petty childish hissy fit way of handling his mistakes were unprofessional and cheap. He blamed everyone but himself.

There is nothing worse than a cheater in sports. Nothing. Break the rules and you forfeit your right to play.

I stand behind everything I have ever posted here.

Actually you said

Wearing a "Free Sager" wristband will bring you nothing but bad luck.

The Karma gods have spoken!

implying that i deserved bad luck, crashing, and even injury because of my support. and i don't really need to go into a long story about how somehow when no one tells you that you are supposed to be tested after a race, there is no board up with any names of racers to be tested and then you go home which is only 5 miles fromt he race course, somehow that makes you a cheater

but really i think you take this baord way too serious. I stand behind nothing i post on here.

 

[CdaleTony]

Yeah, you kind of butchered my original post.

Yea mod powers are odd. I click and I can do all kinds of weird things. Esp if I am not paying attention

BTW everyone keep thread on topic !

 

[cdalemaniac]

I don't know guys....I said it before and say it again: cannondale should stick with aluminum, period.
Every time they bond something it falls apart....( I know I'm over exaggerating )
Raven, First gen lefty carbon, that weird bonded jeckyll/super v swingarm, 2008 Scalpel chain stays, now the 2008 scalpel shock mount.......and I bet we'll see much more of this in the near future with the Rize & Moto.
Mark my words......

 

[speedmetal]

When you push the boundaries of what can be done with a material,you risk getting (and surpassing) the breaking point. If a company wants to stay relevant, and in the cutting edge, it must push the limits. When that happens, things WILL break. Of all the Cannondales I have owned, starting back in 1995 with a Killer V style F-500, NONE have broken.And I'm pretty rough on my bikes. That F500 saw some serious street riding (going down stairs and catching air) and it's still going strong. Granted, all my bikes have been Aluminum, so reading about carbon fiber frames failing makes me want to stay away from them. Oh well, Carbon fiber bikes may be sexy, but I believe they should be "for racing only"

 

[rumshcawheely]

Lets not forget that this Sclapel was just totally redesigned. It's like many 1st model year things that need a little fine tuning. This happens with cars, computers, door hardware...you name it. I think it's ok for a company to bring out a new product and then need to work out a few bugs. I personally ordered one of these things early on and probably got one of the first ones off the line. Had to deal with the recall and all, but I did have a few rides on it prior to the recall. And let me just say, this isn't just another bike. It's the new and improved Scalpel. The thing is like magic. I would bet that anyone that has over 8 hrs. riding this bike would be willing to wait the 2 weeks it takes for the recall replacement. If you haven't purchased or ridden one, either buy one or don't buy one, but don't complain about an inconvenience that you never even had.