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Here's the thing

I ordered a hope pro2 rear hub for my bike from Chad, he hasn't sent it yet and I am having second thought about ordering JUST the hub. I am thinking in getting a complete rear wheel and i'll tell you why hoping you can give me your wise advice.

My rear wheel as you might know uses a 150X12 rear hub, whch is not a frequent sizing. I dunno about this, but would one need a true stand to properly lace a wheel? would it'd need to have some kind of not-so-common interface to fix my wheel on it? is this right? do oyu think I might have some complications finding a competent builder having such a tool (I can only think on either Abel or the guy at riders in Ajusco). What is your word on this?

I don't want my wheel being laced by someone not having the right tool for the job. Is my reasoning justified or i'm just tripping?

OTOH, If I were to ask Chad to build me a complete wheel, which would be a good rim, both, performance and economy wise. I was thinking on either Mavic 321's or Sun Singletrack's laced with DT competition (32 spokes, 3x pattern). Trailpimp lite's could also be an option but I rather not having a wider rim in the back. What do you think of this combo? any suggestions? I am looking for some strong yet kinda light wheels (my Supra N weight 660 g. and I found them quite reliable). You know the kinda ridding I do, and at my age is probably not getting more extreme that that.

Any suggestions? bulding in Mexico (using my Supra N) vs Chad building (new wheel)?
 

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I say building in Mexico.... 100 pesos for re-lacing with Scott Riders. (I'm relacing my WTB Dual Duty FR with a Quando TX Hub with them)

Supra N is a good rim, I think you should keep it.
 

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tacubaya said:
I say building in Mexico.... 100 pesos for re-lacing with Scott Riders. (I'm relacing my WTB Dual Duty FR with a Quando TX Hub with them)

Supra N is a good rim, I think you should keep it.
I know they are good and a good option. My only concern, though, is on the availability of the mechs here in Mexico to properly lace my oddly-sized hub. I am not sure if it would be a problem to find a place with the right true stand interface... well, I don't even know if that is an issue at all. If not an issue, I'll certainly lace my current Supra N.
 

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Do it with Abel. He is sometimes hard to get a hold of but he is good.

He got me my DT 4.1 rims and laced them. Even though he put on road spokes :eek: the wheels are true to this day.
 

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elmadaleno said:
Do it with Abel. He is sometimes hard to get a hold of but he is good.

He got me my DT 4.1 rims and laced them. Even though he put on road spokes :eek: the wheels are true to this day.
Get a Syncros dp32 from cyclo ride :D We went yesterday and they have some nice wheels and rims there. The white syncross rim was 1000 pesos and a white Azonic Outlaw wheelset was 3800. Not so bad....
 

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Thank you all for your comments, but maybe I wasn't clear with my first question. I'll try to be more clear.

1) Economy wise, I will lace my current my Supra N to my new hub. But that will only happen if:
2) I can find someone competent in Mexico with the right tools to lace a 150mm spacing hub with a 12mm Tru Axle (common hubs have 135mm spacing, with a 10mm axel). If I understand well, the builder has to have a true stand able to fit a hub of my oddly size.
3) That being said, I wont buy a rim in Mexico to build a wheel in Mexico. The only reason why I would buy a new rim (not using my Supra N) is coz I would have to lace the wheel somewhere else (ie USA) coz none competent builder here in Mexico have the right tools. If I were to build a wheel with a new rim, that will be done in the US with Chad (well respected bulder with way more options of rims), so prices of rims here in Mexico are out of question.

I don't doubt the prices for outlaws are really good, but I it is not an option for me, I am only in the market for a rear wheel (well, actually a rear hub) and already bought the hub. and 1000 bucks for a hub is just too much for me: those syncros are nice though.

In the same line, I know Abel is a respectable builder, and he's one of my first options here in Mexico, but, would he have the right tools??? would he be able to properly lace my wheel??... well, maybe I should ask that to Abel instead.

Anyways, thanks for the help guys.
 

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ritopc said:
I don't doubt the prices for outlaws are really good, but I it is not an option for me, I am only in the market for a rear wheel (well, actually a rear hub) and already bought the hub. and 1000 bucks for a hub is just too much for me: those syncros are nice though
Yeah. I was just mentioning that those rims look tempting :)

ot: Are you going tomorrow? At what time??
 

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ritopc said:
Here's the thing

I ordered a hope pro2 rear hub for my bike from Chad, he hasn't sent it yet and I am having second thought about ordering JUST the hub. I am thinking in getting a complete rear wheel and i'll tell you why hoping you can give me your wise advice.....
Rito.. Rito...tsk tsk tsk... before ordering my long overdue wish list, THAT was what i wanted, just a nicer rear hub! Now, eeek!
 

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ritopc said:
In the same line, I know Abel is a respectable builder, and he's one of my first options here in Mexico, but, would he have the right tools??? would he be able to properly lace my wheel??... well, maybe I should ask that to Abel instead.

Anyways, thanks for the help guys.
Abel has a road / XC background, even though I THINK that his stand can take a 150 hub, but he was scratching his head when I showed him my flangeless hubs... I would sway to contacting the guys who service DH bikes at the Ajusco or the likes.

He may not even know if the dishing is different... but neither do I.

Go with the DH specialists....
 

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rzozaya1969 said:
OT, but, what are flangeless hubs?
Maybe those are Mavic style hubs for straight spokes? My Mavics don`t have flanges, but I don`t know if they make heavier models for more than trail riding (models not for women).

Rito, I saw a link somewhere on MTBR to a site on wheel building where the guy used an old road fork mounted to a bench as a truing stand. To do rear wheels for mtb (15mm wider than his fork), he hung the wheel on the outside of the fork by one side of the axel. Probably more eficient to keep the wheel inside the stand because you don`t have to keep turning it around, but apparently not necessary. On the other hand, the other things that Warp brought up make sense. If that particular builder isn`t accustomed to building downhill wheels, it would better to go somewhere else. At least that`s what I think.
 

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Maybe those are Mavic style hubs for straight spokes? My Mavics don`t have flanges, but I don`t know if they make heavier models for more than trail riding (models not for women)..
They have the Dee-Max and Dee-something wich are heavier duty.
 

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rzozaya1969 said:
OT, but, what are flangeless hubs?
REAL men hubs... :p

Flangeless hubs are just that, hubs that have no flanges... just slots drilled on the hub body... Just like my old and ageing Shimano 555 hubs.

If you've seen my wheels, you've seen flangeless hubs.
 

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Warp said:
REAL men hubs... :p

Flangeless hubs are just that, hubs that have no flanges... just slots drilled on the hub body... Just like my old and ageing Shimano 555 hubs.

If you've seen my wheels, you've seen flangeless hubs.
What's the advantage/disadvante of them? they seem harder to service, but I'm not a mechanic..
 

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rzozaya1969 said:
They have the Dee-Max and Dee-something wich are heavier duty.
Deemax 12x150 like you say are the standart hubs for DH. so you are in the right page, like most guys said, I wouldn't trust the lacing to someone not acustom to do so. A fall sometimes can get pretty nasty, I don'd do DH, but I can trust it would get uglier then my last fall on a singletrack, good luck finding straight pull spokes, I have a crossland wheelset and is a pain to get spokes, don't even get me started on original rim strips.
 

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Thank you all for your comments

rzozaya1969 said:
Rito.. Rito...tsk tsk tsk... before ordering my long overdue wish list, THAT was what i wanted, just a nicer rear hub! Now, eeek!
hahaha... sorry, a rear hub, or a wheel at most, is what I am intending to buy. Nothing more nothing less. I am sure I ´ll hee better luck containing UGI:D

As for the spokes, no problems here; i bought a Hope hub which is a flaged hub. No straight spokes for this guy.

Interesting point about Abele you mentioned Warp. I will give him a call see if he has done this before. Yup the guys are ajusco might be good lacing wheels, but hell they are expensive. I am gonna call Chad to get a quotation on the building. I am also going to call the guys in bicigato, they have like 25 years of experience and if they have the right tools I am sure they can do the job.

As for the tools, the builder must have the right tools; no room for improvisations here. I am sure some people can build wheels using some innnovative ways, but for me, that is like trying to level the foundations of a building with out using and inclinometer (yup, that word exists), it can be done but it wouldn´t be a professional job.

Again, thank you guys.

Roberto, how much did your build cost (shipping excluded)? and what are the specs? It will help me to get an idea on a single wheel build.
 
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